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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What harm came to them by being kicked out of a restaurant?
    look, everyone. this is why almost no one is a libertarian.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    look, everyone. this is why almost no one is a libertarian.
    Why won't you just tell me what harm was inflicted on them?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    I find it interesting that Indiana did not learn from Utah. Unlike Utah, Indiana very deliberately chose to exclude the LGBT community from working on this bill. Unlike Utah, Indiana did not include housing and employment protections for LGBT alongside seeking to ensure protections of religious liberties. Unlike Utah, Indiana could not respect the intelligence of the electorate who knew this bill was motivated by the likelihood of a SCOTUS decision to cement same-sex marriage in all 50 states and instead claimed it had nothing to do with the LGBT community. Unlike Utah, Indiana did not listen to the business community who stated firmly that such laws, if not advanced with protections for minorities, are simply state sanctioned licenses to discriminate that undermine the ability of all businesses to ensure freedom from discrimination for their own workers and customers.

    What an odd world we live in when the Mormons now make the better calls on gay rights and religious freedom than the Hoosiers.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why won't you just tell me what harm was inflicted on them?
    There was non and they know it. No harm = no victim.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why won't you just tell me what harm was inflicted on them?
    um, getting kicked out of a restaurant just for being homosexual? the right flips its **** every year just because the cashier says happy holidays. imagine if they escorted your whole family out instead. as a gay libertarian, though, i'm sure you would take pride that this store exercised its rights. perhaps someday a restaurant will materialize out of thin air to serve gay libertarians in your state, and until then, you'll just eat sand and applaud all of those restaurants kicking out gay libertarians. what harm was done? please. what harm was done to black people who weren't allowed to sit at the ****ing lunch counter in the early sixties? FFS.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    um, getting kicked out of a restaurant just for being homosexual? the right flips its **** every year just because the cashier says happy holidays. imagine if they escorted your whole family out instead. as a gay libertarian, though, i'm sure you would take pride that this store exercised its rights. perhaps someday a restaurant will materialize out of thin air to serve gay libertarians in your state, and until then, you'll just eat sand and applaud all of those restaurants kicking out gay libertarians. what harm was done? please. what harm was done to black people who weren't allowed to sit at the ****ing lunch counter in the early sixties? FFS.
    Nothing you said is a harm. Blacks weren't harmed by not being allowed to sit at the counters and gays aren't harmed by being denied service. You can't argue that being denied service causes a persons condition to get worse because all it is doing is not helping to change something already in motion.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Nothing you said is a harm. Blacks weren't harmed by not being allowed to sit at the counters and gays aren't harmed by being denied service. You can't argue that being denied service causes a persons condition to get worse because all it is doing is not helping to change something already in motion.
    and you actually believe that.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I find it interesting that Indiana did not learn from Utah. Unlike Utah, Indiana very deliberately chose to exclude the LGBT community from working on this bill. Unlike Utah, Indiana did not include housing and employment protections for LGBT alongside seeking to ensure protections of religious liberties. Unlike Utah, Indiana could not respect the intelligence of the electorate who knew this bill was motivated by the likelihood of a SCOTUS decision to cement same-sex marriage in all 50 states and instead claimed it had nothing to do with the LGBT community. Unlike Utah, Indiana did not listen to the business community who stated firmly that such laws, if not advanced with protections for minorities, are simply state sanctioned licenses to discriminate that undermine the ability of all businesses to ensure freedom from discrimination for their own workers and customers.

    What an odd world we live in when the Mormons now make the better calls on gay rights and religious freedom than the Hoosiers.
    It's not odd at all. If you've been to the midwest, you know it's littered with shanty towns of westboro caliber fanaticism

    Christian fanatics are no better than the mormon variety

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    look, everyone. this is why almost no one is a libertarian.
    yeah libertarian lean on this board at least is more impotent and contradictory than any politician i've come across

    "i support liberty, except for minorities i don't like. Then we must oppress them for no purpose whatsoever!"

    what a useless worldview

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Clearly you embrace the idea of fighting fire with fire, or is that out of context?

    Even when you defend yourself, you are bigoted: "In Hancock County there is a town of 21,000 but also the one square mile trailer trash (99% white) collective of "Wilkinson" (pop 449). So your data is heavily skewed" (bolding by me).

    Using Google Maps, this doesn't look like a shanty to me, it looks like a quiet small town. Here is a house on the main street: Google Maps view of Wilkinson IN

    I don't have a problem with your position, I have a serious problem with your methods.
    I will refer to bigots in any way i please, usually in the way that will piss them off the most.

    So case in point, if you don't like it, good!

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