German plane intentionally crashed

[Renae]

Audio from the mangled voice recorder of Germanwings Flight 9525 reveals the captain was locked out of the cockpit while the co-pilot appeared to make a deliberate attempt to destroy the plane, Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said Thursday.
The co-pilot of the doomed Germanwings flight "accelerated the descent" of the plane when he was alone in the cockpit, Robin said. That can only be done deliberately, he said.

Germanwings plane crash: Captain locked out of cockpit - CNN.com


scary

 

[tres borrachos]

Germanwings plane crash: Captain locked out of cockpit - CNN.com


scary

They were debating this all on Morning Joe. They did have a guy on that cautioned before assuming it was intentional. He said that the guy left in there could have been medically incapacitated and this wasn't intentional. He also said the French are furious that this was leaked to the NY Times. But it was apparently intentional. How God awful.

All I kept thinking about were the passengers who had to know something terrible was going on. 8 minutes is a very very very long time.

 

[tres borrachos]

Oh, and PS. I hope that son of a bitch rots in Hell.

 

[Gill]

The co-pilot of the crashed Germanwings plane appears to have "intentionally" forced the jet into a descent while his captain was locked out of the cockpit, prosecutors said Thursday.

First Officer Andreas Lubitz, 28, was alone at the controls of the Airbus A320 as it began its rapid descent, Marseille Prosecutor Brice Robin told a news conference.

The cries of passengers could be heard on the plane's cockpit voice recorder moments before the crash, Brice said.

"Banging" sounds were also heard, suggesting the captain was trying to force his way back into the cockpit.

Looks confirmed that it was either a deliberate suicide or an act of terrorism.

 

[donsutherland1]

It certainly seems that way. From Reuters:

The German citizen, left in sole control of the Airbus A320 after the captain left the cockpit, refused to re-open the door and pressed a button that sent the jet into its fatal descent, the prosecutor told a news conference carried on live television.

Germanwings co-pilot likely crashed jet deliberately: prosecutor | Reuters

 

[Lovebug]

Are we sure all the facts are in? This is such a complicated investigation.

 

[tres borrachos]

Looks confirmed that it was either a deliberate suicide or an act of terrorism.

The cries of passengers could be heard on the plane's cockpit voice recorder moments before the crash, Brice said.

Oh my God.

 

[Crosscheck]

They were debating this all on Morning Joe. They did have a guy on that cautioned before assuming it was intentional. He said that the guy left in there could have been medically incapacitated and this wasn't intentional. He also said the French are furious that this was leaked to the NY Times. But it was apparently intentional. How God awful.

All I kept thinking about were the passengers who had to know something terrible was going on. 8 minutes is a very very very long time.

Terrible way to die. Seeing the pilot trying to break down the door while in a speedy descent the passengers definitely knew they were in trouble. But like you said, 8 minutes is an insane amount of time to be riding to your death. What the hell.

 

[Gill]

This co-pilot reportedly had only 630 hours of flight time. I've heard that a First Officer must have a minimum of 1500 hours in the U.S.

European airlines/governments need to rethink their airline security.

 

[Gill]

The cries of passengers could be heard on the plane's cockpit voice recorder moments before the crash, Brice said.

Oh my God.

Can you imagine the terror going through those poor soul's minds ??

 

[joG]

Germanwings plane crash: Captain locked out of cockpit - CNN.com


scary

I agree. it is scary as it is approximately what I had expected. The term I used was "pilot error", which is the same thing as far as the French government is concerned. You see, the French have a large ownership stake in Airbus Industries and the last thing they ant to admit is that the electronics need to be repaired for the A 320. A call back would be too expensive and harm sales.

That is why I was so very unhappy that the French accepted responsibility for the inquiry. It just does not clear the air, if the conflict of interest is so strong. Nobody will ever know this way, whether the story is true and boarding the 320 will always have nervousness about it that an impartial inquiry would have allayed.

 

[joG]

Terrible way to die. Seeing the pilot trying to break down the door while in a speedy descent the passengers definitely knew they were in trouble. But like you said, 8 minutes is an insane amount of time to be riding to your death. What the hell.

Come off it. Dying that way is great compared to cancer.

 

[tres borrachos]

Can you imagine the terror going through those poor soul's minds ??

I can imagine, and that's the problem. I need to stop imagining.

My cousin's husband had a cousin (I know, sounds like 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon...) who died on Pan Am 103 coming back to the states from her studies abroad. He always says the one thing that got her parents (his aunt & uncle) through it was knowing that she really couldn't possibly have known what hit her.

These people knew they were doomed. There were children on that plane. High schoolers. FFS what kind of monster would intentionally do this?

I truly hope they find out that he simply passed out in the cockpit and didn't do this intentionally.

 

[tres borrachos]

Come off it. Dying that way is great compared to cancer.

Stop.

 

[Gill]

I can imagine, and that's the problem. I need to stop imagining.

My cousin's husband had a cousin (I know, sounds like 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon...) who died on Pan Am 103 coming back to the states from her studies abroad. He always says the one thing that got her parents (his aunt & uncle) through it was knowing that she really couldn't possibly have known what hit her.

These people knew they were doomed. There were children on that plane. High schoolers. FFS what kind of monster would intentionally do this?

I truly hope they find out that he simply passed out in the cockpit and didn't do this intentionally.

If he had passed out, the auto pilot would have kept them at altitude and level. Also, the co-pilot had to manually push a button in the cockpit to prevent the pilot from entering.

 

[Lovebug]

I can imagine, and that's the problem. I need to stop imagining.

My cousin's husband had a cousin (I know, sounds like 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon...) who died on Pan Am 103 coming back to the states from her studies abroad. He always says the one thing that got her parents (his aunt & uncle) through it was knowing that she really couldn't possibly have known what hit her.

These people knew they were doomed. There were children on that plane. High schoolers. FFS what kind of monster would intentionally do this?

I truly hope they find out that he simply passed out in the cockpit and didn't do this intentionally.

I listened to an audio clip of a car crash yesterday, and that alone sent chills down my spine. Now imagine the horror of all these people, seeing the pilot trying to get into the cockpit, the plane rapidly descending, people screaming and kids crying. I guess the babies alone were blessed because they didn't know what was about to happen.
How horrible.
Yes, it only lasted for a few minutes, and as one member said, it is a faster way to die than dying of cancer. But that doesn't make this less horrible.
My heart goes out to friends and families.

 

[WCH]

They were debating this all on Morning Joe. They did have a guy on that cautioned before assuming it was intentional. He said that the guy left in there could have been medically incapacitated and this wasn't intentional. He also said the French are furious that this was leaked to the NY Times. But it was apparently intentional. How God awful.

All I kept thinking about were the passengers who had to know something terrible was going on. 8 minutes is a very very very long time.

Apparently the CP had to actively engage the aircraft's descent. [over-ride the plane's auto pilot}

 

[tres borrachos]

If he had passed out, the auto pilot would have kept them at altitude and level. Also, the co-pilot had to manually push a button in the cockpit to prevent the pilot from entering.

Yes, I know. I'm trying to find something non-horrific about this story. But I know what you posted was right.

This was intentional. They've released his name finally. I guess we're going to find out a lot about this bastard. That was something else they were discussing on Morning Joe - that the passenger list was made public a few days ago, but the names of the pilots and flight crew weren't. The guy I referred to earlier said that's unheard of, which led him to believe they knew something was amiss with one or both of those pilots, and they were already investigating and gathering their facts.

 

[tres borrachos]

I listened to an audio clip of a car crash yesterday, and that alone sent chills down my spine. Now imagine the horror of all these people, seeing the pilot trying to get into the cockpit, the plane rapidly descending, people screaming and kids crying. I guess the babies alone were blessed because they didn't know what was about to happen.
How horrible.
Yes, it only lasted for a few minutes, and as one member said, it is a faster way to die than dying of cancer. But that doesn't make this less horrible.
My heart goes out to friends and families.

I had the same thought about the babies. Not that it makes what happened to them any better - it doesn't - but they were blissfully unaware.

As the mother of 3 high schoolers, I just can't imagine what their parents are going through. That image would haunt me until I die.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Naw, its Bush's fault. I can guarantee it will be glossed over.

 

[PoS]

Is it me or are more airplane crashes being intentionally caused by suicidal pilots now? Pretty disturbing.

 

[Deuce]

This co-pilot reportedly had only 630 hours of flight time. I've heard that a First Officer must have a minimum of 1500 hours in the U.S.

European airlines/governments need to rethink their airline security.

The US only very recently added the 1500 hour requirement.

Another 800 hours wasn't going to make this guy less suicidal.

 

[eohrnberger]

Germanwings plane crash: Captain locked out of cockpit - CNN.com


scary

Makes me wonder if the Malaysian flight might not have faced the same scenario. Not having recovered any data recorders or even found the wreck, hard to say.

Might be time to take a look at the stresses and strains of being a commercial airline pilot, the moral as a group and individually, as see if there's not something going on where they commit suicide by airliner, taking the passengers and crew with them.

 

[Deuce]

Is it me or are more airplane crashes being intentionally caused by suicidal pilots now? Pretty disturbing.

They have more reason to be suicidal these days. As Captain Sullenberger put it, "We used to be a step below astronauts, now we're a step above bus drivers." Except if this first officer were working for a US regional carrier, the bus driver probably would have been getting paid better. (not sure how it is for European pilots though)

Sadly, this was a type of crash you really can't do anything about. The weather was fine. The plane worked fine. The cockpit door worked exactly as intended: you aren't supposed to be able to access the cockpit if the person in there doesn't want you to. The guy wanted to kill himself. Maybe he was recently divorced. Maybe he'd lost a child. Maybe it was a drug problem. Maybe the voices in his head told him to. Maybe Al Qaeda told him to. Too many possible reasons. What can you do? Not much.

Sad story.

 

[Gill]

The US only very recently added the 1500 hour requirement.

Another 800 hours wasn't going to make this guy less suicidal.

Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps another 800 hours would have revealed his demented mind. Or, he might have gotten over whatever he was pissed off about.

Another issue is that in the U.S., the cockpit door is not locked while one of the pilots goes to the head. A flight attendant places a cart in front of the door to prevent anyone being able to enter. As I understand it, two people are always required to be in the cockpit at all times.