German plane intentionally crashed

MrVicchio said:

Germanwings plane crash: Captain locked out of cockpit - CNN.com


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Audio from the mangled voice recorder of Germanwings Flight 9525 reveals the captain was locked out of the cockpit while the co-pilot appeared to make a deliberate attempt to destroy the plane, Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said Thursday.
The co-pilot of the doomed Germanwings flight "accelerated the descent" of the plane when he was alone in the cockpit, Robin said. That can only be done deliberately, he said.

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I don't want to be Debbie downer, but I would say he succeeded, which means it wasn't an "attempt"

Manc Skipper said:

24 Americans purposely crashed their private planes to die in the last couple of decades. They wanted to kill themselves.
Once an individual being decides that it's own existence is no longer bearable/wanted/necessary.. The lives of others become incidental to that.
One instant simple fix would be to put a third pilot back in the cockpit, so nobody is ever left alone there. They were cut as an economy measure.
Some airlines already mandate that pilots must never leave the cockpit while airborne for short-haul flights, such as that one. Long-haul, you need three, any two awake.

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I don't know if there was ever a third pilot, but before the late 70s it was standard to have a four person crew on larger planes, pilot, co-pilot, navigator, and Flight engineer. automation eliminated the Engineer and Navigator positions...

At least if the reports are true, this calculating POS didnt crash the plane into a crowded city. Looks like he could have done that too, without being stopped.

Awesome! said:

At least if the reports are true, this calculating POS didnt crash the plane into a crowded city. Looks like he could have done that too, without being stopped.

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Now there's a thought. So if a terrorist's goal is to kill maximum amount of victims then crashing the plane away from populated areas might rule out that it was an act of terrorism.

EnigmaO01 said:

Could he have taken a drug to put him in that state?

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Maybe. Or maybe he was hypnotized like the Manchurian candidate and something set him off. It's still a mystery where or what he was doing during that time he stopped his training.


I haven't checked for sure, but isn't it kind of odd that of the last two or three airline crashes not one sent out a distress signal?

Awesome! said:

At least if the reports are true, this calculating POS didnt crash the plane into a crowded city. Looks like he could have done that too, without being stopped.

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Not necessarily. It looks like his plan was contingent on when the pilot left the cockpit.

Moot said:

Maybe. Or maybe he was hypnotized like the Manchurian candidate and something set him off. It's still a mystery where or what he was doing during that time he stopped his training.


I haven't checked for sure, but isn't it kind of odd that of the last two or three airline crashes not one sent out a distress signal?

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Hypnotism will not cause you to do something you won't normally do.

ADS-B/ModeS data: Germanwings Flight 4U9525. Autopilot was manually changed from 38,000 ft (9:30:52 Zulu) to 96 ft (09:30:55 Zulu)

Chilling.

Awesome! said:

At least if the reports are true, this calculating POS didnt crash the plane into a crowded city. Looks like he could have done that too, without being stopped.

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Haven't heard anyone even mention that option he had before him. Hard to believe but this tragedy could have been even greater if he took it down in the middle of a populated city.

Once he had that cockpit door shut he could have done whatever he wanted to. Even if the military sent up fighter jets, what could they have done against a commercial jet with a deranged pilot?

Moot said:

Maybe. Or maybe he was hypnotized like the Manchurian candidate and something set him off. It's still a mystery where or what he was doing during that time he stopped his training.


I haven't checked for sure, but isn't it kind of odd that of the last two or three airline crashes not one sent out a distress signal?

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Neither true nor odd.

Deuce said:

Neither true nor odd.

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But then, you don't really have any evidence or credibility on the matter.

EnigmaO01 said:

Hypnotism will not cause you to do something you won't normally do.

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Don't worry...it's just speculation.

German police have found documentation of recent treatment for depression. It might well have been a sudden impulse. He'd acted normally enough on the outbound flight that the Captain hadn't seen anything to cause him concern. The Captain had enough confidence in the co-pilot to fly with him and leave him alone in charge. It cost everyone their lives.

Moot said:

Now there's a thought. So if a terrorist's goal is to kill maximum amount of victims then crashing the plane away from populated areas might rule out that it was an act of terrorism.

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He waited for the opportunity to crash that Airliner and that meant waiting for the Captain to exit the Cockpit.

Had he exited the Cockpit over a crowded City there's no telling what that Co-Co-pilot would have done.

Crosscheck said:

Haven't heard anyone even mention that option he had before him. Hard to believe but this tragedy could have been even greater if he took it down in the middle of a populated city.

Once he had that cockpit door shut he could have done whatever he wanted to. Even if the military sent up fighter jets, what could they have done against a commercial jet with a deranged pilot?

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Not really.

If he had diverted that flight towards a populated City I'm positive the French Government would have scrambled a few Desault Rafaele's and blown him out of the sky.

To them it would have been a hijacking with the intent to cause mass casualties and they wouldn't have allowed him to follow through with it

Fenton said:

Not really.

If he had diverted that flight towards a populated City I'm positive the French Government would have scrambled a few Desault Rafaele's and blown him out of the sky.

To them it would have been a hijacking with the intent to cause mass casualties and they wouldn't have allowed him to follow through with it

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Actually, if he had planned it right and that was intention, there is nothing anyone could realistically have done to stop him.

When he first started diverting the plane, he was less then 30 miles (about 3-4 minutes flying time) from Marseilles, no way he could have been intercepted before he smashed into the city.

Or, he could have just kept a normal flightpath until he got close to his destination city and then diverted and crashed into Düsseldorf.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4U9525_flight_path4.png

EnigmaO01 said:

Not necessarily. It looks like his plan was contingent on when the pilot left the cockpit.

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The point is, after the co-pilot had control of the plane he could've easily crashed it into a populated area or city but didn't, which means it's unlikely that he was a terrorist. Instead, he's just a suicidal mass murderer.

The Germanwings tragedy was plotted by the same one who created Paris Hebdo attack case - an intimidation at German and French.

This is how they “persuade” German to join war with Russia in Ukraine conflict.

The co-pilot was in forced asleep.

12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1)

When I talked about microwave killing, some readers asked if that is a mind control pulse wave. I went to the web site they gave me. The neuro-electrical magnet wave which imitate brain wave could produce Microwave hearing,forced speech, etc. I don't have that kind of experience, or maybe they have applied it on me but I didn't know. Because it is hard to tell which is natural or caused by remote control frequency weapon. But I do know there is an EM sleep wave which is vastly in use by law enforcement agent.

It was in 1992. One Tuesday morning on my way to Galt. On highway 205, a strong sleep desire fell on me. It was a straight highway, so I tried to drive with eyes closed a little while. But once eye closed, it's hard to open my lids again. I had to fight against drowsiness with extraordinary effort. Then I turned on to highway 120. It was a narrow road with only one lane each way. In dim, I suddenly found there was a dark shadow before me. it was a big truck with a trailer. It stopped on road and started to move when I approached. The sudden lit of tail lamp was so bright red, like in my hands' reach. I made an emergency brake. The cargo in my van rushed forward with inertia, bang hit the front window glass . I could hear the crack sound of porcelain. Luckily I didn't hit the trailer. It was only inches away. My body was wet all over by sweat. Strange for me, such a big scare didn't drove sleepy away. I fell into drowse again until there was another emergency brake. I found the truck driving at only 30 miles per hour. Sometime later, when I opened my lid, I found the truck sped away. It's the end of 120 and we would turned into 99, a busy highway where he could not drive at 30 miles any more.

Later when I had the experience of microwave radiation and other related suffering, I gradually realized there was a sleep wave. But at that time, though it was unusual, I only attributed this to sleepy. Who knew there was a mind control EM sleep wave?

13. Microwave ray shooting and EM sleep wave(2)

I was able to be aware of microwave killing due to a newspaper article. It said FBI's lab developed a tech

that they could shoot and penetrate iron plate in distance by microwave ray. By then I knew they could watch people behind wall by Infra-scanner already. And if they shoot microwave ray behind wall, it's really dangerous for innocent people. Unfortunately, this fell on me soon.

One midnight, I awoke with bitter headache. "They are shooting with microwave ray. I must find something to cover me." I alarmed myself. But before I could do something, an irresistible sleepiness overcame me. I fell in sleep again. This scene repeated several times that night. I always fell in sleep after awakening by headache.

Next day, the headache was so severe that a slight movement would cause suffering. It lasted several days. I thought there was an internal hemorrhage or swell in my head. With great fear, I gathered a lot of metal plates, iron cabinet in my bedroom and slept behind them at night.
Though I was once puzzled how could I go sleep while having heavy headache, I was still didn't aware of there was a sleep wave then.

14. EM sleep wave (3)

I used to sit on a sofa where I could watch TV as well as reading. That day about 5 p.m, when I was reading newspaper, a sudden drowsiness fell on me. It was so strong that I went to my bedroom right away. Once laying on bed, there was no sleepiness at all, not a little bit. That really puzzled me. I went back to sitting room and sitting on sofa, immediately, sleepiness grasped me again. This time I recalled two events happened before. The drowsiness feeling were so similar. They were all deep and irresistible.

I was in panic. What was that? I knew they were using radioactive material and microwave. It seemed that it was a ray with limit field, because my bedroom is just a few feet away and I could not feel it there. I guessed it was a kind of microwave with different frequency and worried it might hurt my brain because it restrained my mind so deeply that I couldn't help to go sleep. On the otherhand, it was a pure feeling of drowsiness, no pain, no dizziness, only extraordinary strong desire to sleep. If I hadn't have above experiences, I would never know its existence. How could you tell it from a nature one.

15. EM sleep wave in China (4)

In 1993, I abandoned my job in flea market. In July 1994, I went to China. I was tired to sleep under the cover of metal plates in U.S. My friends in China stopped communication with me so I knew Chinese police were cooperative with U.S.A.'s, but I thought they would not use high tech. weapon against an innocent man.

I lived in my uncle's home. It was an apartment on third floor (toppest floor) in the building. In August, I heard a noise on roof. People said someone was installing a commercial billboard there. I saw workers erect power transmission lines on roof. A few days later, about 7 o'clock in the morning, I was chatting with relatives when I felt a sudden feeling of sleepiness. I saw my aunt quickly fall in sleep. Other relatives said they were going to bed and back to their bedroom. I was very familiar with this - a sudden, irresistible sleepiness. Later that day I told them about the sleep wave. They didn't believe me. I understood because it was so natural that even I myself would not believe if I hadn't the experience.

This was the only time I felt they use it in China. I think they didn't expect I know sleep wave. When they found I know the secret, they gave it up. The work on roof was postponed. The billboard was never installed. Next year on May, when I left China, the metal shelf installed on August was still there, rusted.

Since then I knew the sleep wave can be a field which influence many people.


16. EM Sleep wave (5)

In 1996, I learned what is sleep wave from a book named 'CIA' (Chinese edition).

It said in July 1987, former Soviet leader Gorbachef flied to Thamalhan, a KGB base, to see an experiment. It was a tiger in the cage. The tiger was irritable. Dr. Chernianko pushed down a button. Within seconds, the furious tiger laid down as gentle as a cat.

Doctor told Gorbachef they successfully handled animal's sentiment by controlling it's brain nerve with remote control electrical wave.
CIA got the information and found Pentagon had first developed such technique. Military Intelligence Chief, general Ackerman was alleged delivering the secret to Soviets. Ackerman was shoot to death several days later. Pentagon announced he died of heart attack.
I immediately realized this was EM sleep wave.

The wave imitates human's sleep wave in brain. It's so natural that you can't tell if it is artificial. Nine years ago I could tell it because it was a sudden, strong feeling. Now they improved their technique. In same sofa I recently often gradually fell into drowse when I wrote article (for post in internet) in daytime. Only at the movement I would get into sleep, I'd realize same thing happened again and moved away. In other place, I never feel sleepy. I think I would never have known there's a sleep wave if they had used that improved technique(gradually go in sleep) nine years ago.

Crosscheck said:

Haven't heard anyone even mention that option he had before him. Hard to believe but this tragedy could have been even greater if he took it down in the middle of a populated city.

Once he had that cockpit door shut he could have done whatever he wanted to. Even if the military sent up fighter jets, what could they have done against a commercial jet with a deranged pilot?

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I guess if people on the plane or the pilot who was locked out called with their cells, maybe fighter jets could be scrambled, if he tried to fly back to Barcelona or hit Munich etc. Or anyone for that matter intent on killing themselves and others, time would be a factor, but it could have been much, much worse. He could have easily communicated to the ground stating he needed to turn back and make an emergency landing not raising any alarms about his real intent. Scary...

EnigmaO01 said:

Not necessarily. It looks like his plan was contingent on when the pilot left the cockpit.

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True but it could have been worse. Not sure how much time for example it would take for the passengers and pilot who was locked out of the cockpit to break down the door....a flight 93 scenario or if he could have fooled everyone including the pilot and the ground to buy time if a city was his target...

He found living intolerable, and wanted to kill himself. He set the plane to descend, and flew on, knowing there was a mountain range in front of him, and an impregnable kevlar door behind him. All the what-ifs and Moozlim conspiracy theories are so much mindless chatter.

I hope its a suicide (as it appears so far) and not terrorism so we don't have to bomb anyone or start another war.

Fenton said:

Not really.

If he had diverted that flight towards a populated City I'm positive the French Government would have scrambled a few Desault Rafaele's and blown him out of the sky.

To them it would have been a hijacking with the intent to cause mass casualties and they wouldn't have allowed him to follow through with it

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That would be a tough call for fighter jet pilot to shoot down 147 innocent passengers because you speculate the hijacker is going to crash into a city. Just a damn hard call.

Has that ever happened?