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    Re: German plane intentionally crashed

    Is it me or are more airplane crashes being intentionally caused by suicidal pilots now? Pretty disturbing.

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    Re: German plane intentionally crashed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    This co-pilot reportedly had only 630 hours of flight time. I've heard that a First Officer must have a minimum of 1500 hours in the U.S.

    European airlines/governments need to rethink their airline security.
    The US only very recently added the 1500 hour requirement.

    Another 800 hours wasn't going to make this guy less suicidal.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: German plane intentionally crashed

    Makes me wonder if the Malaysian flight might not have faced the same scenario. Not having recovered any data recorders or even found the wreck, hard to say.

    Might be time to take a look at the stresses and strains of being a commercial airline pilot, the moral as a group and individually, as see if there's not something going on where they commit suicide by airliner, taking the passengers and crew with them.
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    Re: German plane intentionally crashed

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Is it me or are more airplane crashes being intentionally caused by suicidal pilots now? Pretty disturbing.
    They have more reason to be suicidal these days. As Captain Sullenberger put it, "We used to be a step below astronauts, now we're a step above bus drivers." Except if this first officer were working for a US regional carrier, the bus driver probably would have been getting paid better. (not sure how it is for European pilots though)

    Sadly, this was a type of crash you really can't do anything about. The weather was fine. The plane worked fine. The cockpit door worked exactly as intended: you aren't supposed to be able to access the cockpit if the person in there doesn't want you to. The guy wanted to kill himself. Maybe he was recently divorced. Maybe he'd lost a child. Maybe it was a drug problem. Maybe the voices in his head told him to. Maybe Al Qaeda told him to. Too many possible reasons. What can you do? Not much.

    Sad story.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    Re: German plane intentionally crashed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The US only very recently added the 1500 hour requirement.

    Another 800 hours wasn't going to make this guy less suicidal.
    Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps another 800 hours would have revealed his demented mind. Or, he might have gotten over whatever he was pissed off about.

    Another issue is that in the U.S., the cockpit door is not locked while one of the pilots goes to the head. A flight attendant places a cart in front of the door to prevent anyone being able to enter. As I understand it, two people are always required to be in the cockpit at all times.

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    Re: German plane intentionally crashed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They have more reason to be suicidal these days. As Captain Sullenberger put it, "We used to be a step below astronauts, now we're a step above bus drivers." Except if this first officer were working for a US regional carrier, the bus driver probably would have been getting paid better. (not sure how it is for European pilots though)

    Sadly, this was a type of crash you really can't do anything about. The weather was fine. The plane worked fine. The cockpit door worked exactly as intended: you aren't supposed to be able to access the cockpit if the person in there doesn't want you to. The guy wanted to kill himself. Maybe he was recently divorced. Maybe he'd lost a child. Maybe it was a drug problem. Maybe the voices in his head told him to. Maybe Al Qaeda told him to. Too many possible reasons. What can you do? Not much.

    Sad story.
    Do you think there should be steps taken by the industry to perhaps subject pilots to routine psychological evaluations? Im thinking if this is a growing trend then the ones in charge ought to do something about it.

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    Re: German plane intentionally crashed

    I get being suicidal. But why take others with you?

    Or did he WANT to take others with him? Perhaps some psychos shoot up movie theaters and some psychos become commercial airline pilots.

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    Re: German plane intentionally crashed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The US only very recently added the 1500 hour requirement.

    Another 800 hours wasn't going to make this guy less suicidal.
    Suicidal ? More like Homicidal.

    If he wanted to end his life he could have taken a long walk off a short pier when he got home.

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    Re: German plane intentionally crashed

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Do you think there should be steps taken by the industry to perhaps subject pilots to routine psychological evaluations? Im thinking if this is a growing trend then the ones in charge ought to do something about it.
    Or maybe a software change: Once the flight route is programmed in, the computer will not allow extreme deviations in course or altitude. A suicidal pilot could still crash the plane on take off or landing, but this would be harder as both flight crew are in the cockpit. Likewise, special codes from both pilots would be needed to over ride the "anti suicide software".

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    Re: German plane intentionally crashed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Or maybe a software change: Once the flight route is programmed in, the computer will not allow extreme deviations in course or altitude. A suicidal pilot could still crash the plane on take off or landing, but this would be harder as both flight crew are in the cockpit. Likewise, special codes from both pilots would be needed to over ride the "anti suicide software".
    There are downsides to this. An early Airbus 320 crash at an airshow was partly due to the plane's software not allowing the pilot to go to full throttle and pull the plane up dramatically.

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