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German plane intentionally crashed

Deuce said:
They have more reason to be suicidal these days. As Captain Sullenberger put it, "We used to be a step below astronauts, now we're a step above bus drivers." Except if this first officer were working for a US regional carrier, the bus driver probably would have been getting paid better. (not sure how it is for European pilots though)

Sadly, this was a type of crash you really can't do anything about. The weather was fine. The plane worked fine. The cockpit door worked exactly as intended: you aren't supposed to be able to access the cockpit if the person in there doesn't want you to. The guy wanted to kill himself. Maybe he was recently divorced. Maybe he'd lost a child. Maybe it was a drug problem. Maybe the voices in his head told him to. Maybe Al Qaeda told him to. Too many possible reasons. What can you do? Not much.

Sad story.
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Do you think there should be steps taken by the industry to perhaps subject pilots to routine psychological evaluations? Im thinking if this is a growing trend then the ones in charge ought to do something about it.
 
I get being suicidal. But why take others with you?

Or did he WANT to take others with him? Perhaps some psychos shoot up movie theaters and some psychos become commercial airline pilots.
 
Deuce said:
The US only very recently added the 1500 hour requirement.

Another 800 hours wasn't going to make this guy less suicidal.
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Suicidal ? More like Homicidal.

If he wanted to end his life he could have taken a long walk off a short pier when he got home.
 
PoS said:
Do you think there should be steps taken by the industry to perhaps subject pilots to routine psychological evaluations? Im thinking if this is a growing trend then the ones in charge ought to do something about it.
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Or maybe a software change: Once the flight route is programmed in, the computer will not allow extreme deviations in course or altitude. A suicidal pilot could still crash the plane on take off or landing, but this would be harder as both flight crew are in the cockpit. Likewise, special codes from both pilots would be needed to over ride the "anti suicide software".
 
Cryptic said:
Or maybe a software change: Once the flight route is programmed in, the computer will not allow extreme deviations in course or altitude. A suicidal pilot could still crash the plane on take off or landing, but this would be harder as both flight crew are in the cockpit. Likewise, special codes from both pilots would be needed to over ride the "anti suicide software".
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There are downsides to this. An early Airbus 320 crash at an airshow was partly due to the plane's software not allowing the pilot to go to full throttle and pull the plane up dramatically.
 
Stupid thread title because we do not know that to be true.
 
Gill said:
Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps another 800 hours would have revealed his demented mind. Or, he might have gotten over whatever he was pissed off about.
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Or maybe it would have let it fester longer so he would have crashed the plane into an orphanage instead of a mountain. It's just speculation.
PoS said:
Do you think there should be steps taken by the industry to perhaps subject pilots to routine psychological evaluations? Im thinking if this is a growing trend then the ones in charge ought to do something about it.
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I wouldn't hold my breath. Such a thing is going to be expensive if it's going to be even remotely effective. Your low-cost carriers probably aren't going to do this willingly.

Fenton said:
Suicidal ? More like Homicidal.

If he wanted to end his life he could have taken a long walk off a short pier when he got home.
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I try not to look for rational decision-making process in someone who would do this. If this FO were being rational he wouldn't have crashed the plane in the first place.
 
tres borrachos said:
Oh, and PS. I hope that son of a bitch rots in Hell.
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He's dead, and prolly doesn't believe in hell. But I understand your sentiment. I'd feel better if we learn this story isn't the final narrative.
 
PoS said:
Is it me or are more airplane crashes being intentionally caused by suicidal pilots now? Pretty disturbing.
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Seems stupid to me.

If you're suicidal, put the gun in your mouth and press to your heart's content, don't take others with you especially when they're unwilling.

So it shall be, this suicidal man is given the tag, "inferior subhuman."

He is not part of our species, he's of a lower and more inferior class.
 
You think the families of lost ones can sue the airline or no?
 
Montecresto said:
For what. Does anybody know why this plane crashed? It's day three!
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According to the German, French, and Spanish investigators, the madman co-pilot flew the airplane into the side of a mountain.

Didn't you read any of the current information ??
 
Gill said:
This co-pilot reportedly had only 630 hours of flight time. I've heard that a First Officer must have a minimum of 1500 hours in the U.S.

European airlines/governments need to rethink their airline security.
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US airlines require two people in the cockpit at all times for this reason. When a pilot needs to leave the cockpit a steward is supposed to stand inside, by the locked door.
 
Gill said:
According to the German, French, and Spanish investigators, the madman co-pilot flew the airplane into the side of a mountain.

Didn't you read any of the current information ??
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Is that posted here. I haven't seen such confirmation, my apologies.
 
Montecresto said:
I see, thanks. Your first post here seemed to indicate otherwise. I suppose this confirmation came post post two.
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My first post was wishful thinking. I even stressed that. I really hoped it wasn't true, or they would find something to indicate the guy passed out in there or something. But sadly, not the case.
 
PoS said:
Do you think there should be steps taken by the industry to perhaps subject pilots to routine psychological evaluations? Im thinking if this is a growing trend then the ones in charge ought to do something about it.
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Good point. Any airline that doesn't already do regular psychological evaluations of its pilots should start doing that.

This tragedy could have been prevented.
 
shrubnose said:
Good point. Any airline that doesn't already do regular psychological evaluations of its pilots should start doing that.

This tragedy could have been prevented.
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Come on, shrub. You don't know that. Nobody knows that.
 
Fenton said:
Suicidal ? More like Homicidal.

If he wanted to end his life he could have taken a long walk off a short pier when he got home.
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That's basically what the French prosecutor in charge of this sad case said. :roll:
 
tres borrachos said:
Come on, shrub. You don't know that. Nobody knows that.
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I know that if that sick guy hadn't been the co-pilot on that plane a lot of dead people would be alive right now. :roll:

Do you want to argue that point?
 
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