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    Saudi Arabia Begins Air Campaign in Yemen

    From The New York Times:

    Saudi Arabia announced on Wednesday night that it had begun military operations in Yemen, launching airstrikes in coordination with a coalition of 10 nations.

    The strikes came as Yemen was hurtling closer to civil war after months of turmoil, as fighters and army units allied with the Houthi movement threatened to overrun the southern port of Aden, where the besieged president, Abdu Rabbu Mansour Hadi, has gone into hiding.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/wo...his-yemen.html

    Just as had been the case with Bahrain, it appears that Saudi Arabia and neighboring states may have drawn a line on preventing Shia movements from toppling governments in adjacent states. The Gulf Cooperation Council's military intervention to quash a Shia uprising in Bahrain very likely deprived Iran from gaining an ability to blockade the Persian Gulf, a development that could have facilitated Iran's drive for regional hegemony. Whether or not Saudi Arabia and its regional alies send ground forces into Yemen to restore order after using air power to degrade the Houthi militants remains to be seen. If they do, not only will such a development hold the possibility of strengthening regional stability, but it could also signal a new more assertive national security doctrine on the part of Saudi Arabia and its regional allies.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia Begins Air Campaign in Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From The New York Times:



    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/wo...his-yemen.html

    Just as had been the case with Bahrain, it appears that Saudi Arabia and neighboring states may have drawn a line on preventing Shia movements from toppling governments in adjacent states. The Gulf Cooperation Council's military intervention to quash a Shia uprising in Bahrain very likely deprived Iran from gaining an ability to blockade the Persian Gulf, a development that could have facilitated Iran's drive for regional hegemony. Whether or not Saudi Arabia and its regional alies send ground forces into Yemen to restore order after using air power to degrade the Houthi militants remains to be seen. If they do, not only will such a development hold the possibility of strengthening regional stability, but it could also signal a new more assertive national security doctrine on the part of Saudi Arabia and its regional allies.
    Man, this place is such a success, isn't it?

    Defense Minister General Subayhi has been seized (again) by the Huthi, and who the hell knows where Hadi has run off to. Now we're headed into a proxy war.

    Oh well, it's not like Yemen is, you know, really really really critically located, or would offer ungoverned spaces to any major terror networks, or anything...

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    Re: Saudi Arabia Begins Air Campaign in Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Man, this place is such a success, isn't it?

    Defense Minister General Subayhi has been seized (again) by the Huthi, and who the hell knows where Hadi has run off to. Now we're headed into a proxy war.

    Oh well, it's not like Yemen is, you know, really really really critically located, or would offer ungoverned spaces to any major terror networks, or anything...
    And some additional bad news from The Los Angeles Times:

    Secret intelligence files held by Yemeni security forces and containing details of American intelligence operations in the country have been looted by Iran-backed militia leaders, exposing names of informants and plans for U.S.-backed counter-terrorism operations, U.S. officials say..

    U.S. intelligence officials believe additional files were handed directly to Iranian advisors by Yemeni officials who have sided with the Houthi militias that seized control of the capital of Sana last September and later toppled the U.S.-backed president.


    Iran-backed rebels in Yemen loot secret files about U.S. spy operations - LA Times

    The bad news is:

    1. The loss of Intelligence files and the related implications
    2. The presence of Iranian advisors

    The second issue is one of the reasons that I supported the Gulf Cooperation Council's military operations to put down Bahrain's Shia uprising. Then, even as Iran had denied involvement, it was very likely that Iran was playing a crucial behind-the-scenes role in destabilizing that country, as has now been confirmed in Yemen. Bahrain's geopolitical significance and the strategic nature of the U.S. naval base there were the primary reasons.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Begins Air Campaign in Yemen

    Don't forget folks, Yemen is the success model for how we're approaching Syria and our coalition against ISIS.

    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Saudi Arabia Begins Air Campaign in Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From The New York Times:



    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/wo...his-yemen.html

    Just as had been the case with Bahrain, it appears that Saudi Arabia and neighboring states may have drawn a line on preventing Shia movements from toppling governments in adjacent states. The Gulf Cooperation Council's military intervention to quash a Shia uprising in Bahrain very likely deprived Iran from gaining an ability to blockade the Persian Gulf, a development that could have facilitated Iran's drive for regional hegemony. Whether or not Saudi Arabia and its regional alies send ground forces into Yemen to restore order after using air power to degrade the Houthi militants remains to be seen. If they do, not only will such a development hold the possibility of strengthening regional stability, but it could also signal a new more assertive national security doctrine on the part of Saudi Arabia and its regional allies.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Begins Air Campaign in Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    And some additional bad news from The Los Angeles Times:

    Secret intelligence files held by Yemeni security forces and containing details of American intelligence operations in the country have been looted by Iran-backed militia leaders, exposing names of informants and plans for U.S.-backed counter-terrorism operations, U.S. officials say..

    U.S. intelligence officials believe additional files were handed directly to Iranian advisors by Yemeni officials who have sided with the Houthi militias that seized control of the capital of Sana last September and later toppled the U.S.-backed president.


    Iran-backed rebels in Yemen loot secret files about U.S. spy operations - LA Times

    The bad news is:

    1. The loss of Intelligence files and the related implications
    2. The presence of Iranian advisors

    The second issue is one of the reasons that I supported the Gulf Cooperation Council's military operations to put down Bahrain's Shia uprising. Then, even as Iran had denied involvement, it was very likely that Iran was playing a crucial behind-the-scenes role in destabilizing that country, as has now been confirmed in Yemen. Bahrain's geopolitical significance and the strategic nature of the U.S. naval base there were the primary reasons.
    Saudi Arabia has been fast at work destabilizing Syria!!
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Begins Air Campaign in Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Are we rooting for the Sunni?
    In Yemen, the embattled government has cooperated in the U.S. fight against terrorism. De facto Iranian control through its Houthi proxies would damage U.S. interests.

    At the same time, they would damage Saudi Arabia's interests, and that's the reason Saudi Arabia has launched air strikes. In this case, the U.S. and Saudi Arabia have common interests.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia Begins Air Campaign in Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Saudi Arabia has been fast at work destabilizing Syria!!
    On this, we agree to some extent. Syria is an example where the U.S. has limited interests (except for degrading ISIS) and really shouldn't have taken sides in that country's brutal ethnic conflict (sustaining the Kurds, is an exception). Neither the Assad government nor his foes are likely to be very friendly to American interests and strategic allies.

    For Saudi Arabia, there are larger interests involved as they relate to that country's struggle with Iran for regional influence. Saudi Arabia sees Iran as posing a potentially mortal long-term threat and is seek to curtail Iran's ability to achieve regional hegemony. Hence, because the Assad government is friendly with Iran, Saudi Arabia has taken the side of the opposing ethnic forces. Needless to say, given Iran's interests and Russia's, too, in preserving the Assad government, that government will not easily be dislodged from power. Still, its ability to exert authority has been weakened. In turn, that decline of central authority has created a vacuum that has been filled by ISIS and, to a lesser extent, Al Qaeda, both of whom are incompatible with U.S. interests.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia Begins Air Campaign in Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    In Yemen, the embattled government has cooperated in the U.S. fight against terrorism. De facto Iranian control through its Houthi proxies would damage U.S. interests.

    At the same time, they would damage Saudi Arabia's interests, and that's the reason Saudi Arabia has launched air strikes. In this case, the U.S. and Saudi Arabia have common interests.
    The US and Iran have common interests with regard to the Islamic State, too!
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Begins Air Campaign in Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    On this, we agree to some extent. Syria is an example where the U.S. has limited interests (except for degrading ISIS) and really shouldn't have taken sides in that country's brutal ethnic conflict (sustaining the Kurds, is an exception). Neither the Assad government nor his foes are likely to be very friendly to American interests and strategic allies.

    For Saudi Arabia, there are larger interests involved as they relate to that country's struggle with Iran for regional influence. Saudi Arabia sees Iran as posing a potentially mortal long-term threat and is seek to curtail Iran's ability to achieve regional hegemony. Hence, because the Assad government is friendly with Iran, Saudi Arabia has taken the side of the opposing ethnic forces. Needless to say, given Iran's interests and Russia's, too, in preserving the Assad government, that government will not easily be dislodged from power. Still, its ability to exert authority has been weakened. In turn, that decline of central authority has created a vacuum that has been filled by ISIS and, to a lesser extent, Al Qaeda, both of whom are incompatible with U.S. interests.
    US "interests" aren't always my interests. AQ was quite compatible with US interests when it came to using them to help in the violation of UNSCR 1970, and the overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya. The resulting arms confiscated from Gaddafi's army and smuggled out of the Benghazi annex to the MB, AQ, al Nusra infested FSA in Syria also made compatibility of AQ and US interests. Regime change in Syria has also been a long term USFP ambition. It's that abuse of UNSCR 1970 in Libya that prompted Russia and China to deny every US attempt to secure a similar resolution for the use of force in Syria.
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