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Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion


Yes, she said what everyone else seems to have been saying until June 3rd/4th when other members of his unit came forward. Do you have any evidence that she knew different? :) I can wait Grim17, all day if I have to.
 
Michele Malkin wrote of the strange circumstance of his disappearance back in 2009.

Michelle Malkin | » Questions about the reported abduction of Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl; Update: Reports of desertion mounting

There were rumors about this guy being a deserter long before the deal was struck, and certainly the president had to be aware of them also. Unless, he just read about it in the morning paper--which seems to be the way he gets most of his information...

It's a shame that rumors don't actually mean much. Did you know there is a rumor about Obama being a Muslim? Real serious stuff.
 
You don't have to. It doesn't make him property. Now, do you have anything to comment on the subject or is this where you're airing out your feelings? :)

Well, I thought it was pretty obvious that we shouldn't trust your obama to make decisions in our best interests.
But, if you need it spelled out for you, we shouldn't trust your obama to make decisions in our best interests.
 
Well, I thought it was pretty obvious that we shouldn't trust your obama to make decisions in our best interests.
But, if you need it spelled out for you, we shouldn't trust your obama to make decisions in our best interests.

He didn't. He brought back a soldier that was supposedly giving information to the Taliban. If it took 5 of the 1000s of terrorists running around Afghanistan to get that done, I'm alright with that. Your feelings on the matter are irrelevant. :shrug:
 
I'm not sure why Bergdahl being a deserter, in the end, really matters. He's still our soldier.
You are going to find this hard to believe, but I don't disagree with that. Even if it were well known that the man was a deserter, negotiating his release was probably the right thing to do. The problem is, Obama went about it the wrong way. He was required, by law I believe, to notify congress in advance of any releases from Gitmo. He didn't. He should have conferred with people like McCain and others about a potential swap before pulling the trigger. This was one instance where he might have gotten people on his side had he bothered to try.
 
You are going to find this hard to believe, but I don't disagree with that. Even if it were well known that the man was a deserter, negotiating his release was probably the right thing to do. The problem is, Obama went about it the wrong way. He was required, by law I believe, to notify congress in advance of any releases from Gitmo. He didn't. He should have conferred with people like McCain and others about a potential swap before pulling the trigger. This was one instance where he might have gotten people on his side had he bothered to try.

I don't disagree with that.
 
It's a shame that rumors don't actually mean much. Did you know there is a rumor about Obama being a Muslim? Real serious stuff.

Except this rumor turned out to be true now didn't it. And the point was that the possibility of him being a deserter was not something that came out AFTER the release. The military knew exactly what happened and were likely the source of the rumors. Obama was aware of them, or should have been.
 
Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion - The Washington Post

The two charges news conference is going on now. No discussion about the 2014 investigation will be discussed to keep impartiality during the USMCJ. An article 32 preliminary hearing (like a Grand Jury hearing) will be coming. IF found guilty on both charges, a maximum incarceration of life in prison could be levied. No death penalty was discussed so that is not an option according to the press conference.

This is quite a difference and contrast from Susan Rice, National Security Adviser saying Bergdahl “served the United States with honor and distinction.”

Indeed, if he's convicted of anything, a big embarrassment to the Obama administration.
 
Well, I thought it was pretty obvious that we shouldn't trust your obama to make decisions in our best interests.
But, if you need it spelled out for you, we shouldn't trust your obama to make decisions in our best interests.

Referring to the twice-elected president of the United States as "your Obama" doesn't make you appear clever or witty.
 
For the sake of a fair trial, I am waiting to hear if he is convicted or not.

If he is, may his soul rot in hell, there is no greater sin than treason (or severe betrayal in any form) in my eyes.

If he is found innocent, I'd be damned for having called a soldier of ours a little ****.

Just wait, that's all.
 
Except this rumor turned out to be true now didn't it.

Considering he hasn't been convicted of anything, no it hasn't turned out to be true. Or do you know something that I don't?
 
Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion - The Washington Post

The two charges news conference is going on now. No discussion about the 2014 investigation will be discussed to keep impartiality during the USMCJ. An article 32 preliminary hearing (like a Grand Jury hearing) will be coming. IF found guilty on both charges, a maximum incarceration of life in prison could be levied. No death penalty was discussed so that is not an option according to the press conference.

This is quite a difference and contrast from Susan Rice, National Security Adviser saying Bergdahl “served the United States with honor and distinction.”

5 Taliban leaders go free probably to wreak havoc and death upon us and our allies. The one we traded the 5 Taliban leaders for goes to jail. Is there any logic behind this?
 
Considering he hasn't been convicted of anything, no it hasn't turned out to be true. Or do you know something that I don't?
You are right, he hasn't been convicted, but I don't think there is a lot of doubt at this point that he voluntarily walked away from his unit. But like I said earlier, I don't fault Obama for trying to get the guy back. I think the way he went about it is what is causing the problems. As your quote from McCain at the beginning of this thread showed, he was not opposed to the idea of a prisoner swap. Had Obama approached Mccain with a potential deal, he might have gone along with it and be defending Obama right now.

But if Obama wants to use his pen and his phone and go it alone, then he really cant expect a lot of support and good cheer from the legislative branch.
 
He didn't. He brought back a soldier that was supposedly giving information to the Taliban. If it took 5 of the 1000s of terrorists running around Afghanistan to get that done, I'm alright with that. Your feelings on the matter are irrelevant. :shrug:

Well, hell. Let's let them all out. Maybe we can free up some goats on the next trade?
 
Referring to the twice-elected president of the United States as "your Obama" doesn't make you appear clever or witty.

That's what he is, YOUR obama. I lay no claim nor responsibility for his disastrous presence in the white house.
That's all on you.
 
Yes, she said what everyone else seems to have been saying until June 3rd/4th when other members of his unit came forward. Do you have any evidence that she knew different? :) I can wait Grim17, all day if I have to.

What?

What his platoon members knew when he deserted in 2009, the US Military investigators knew.
What the US Military investigators knew, the DOD and Pentagon knew.
What the the DOD and Pentagon knew, President Obama knew.

What his platoon members, the US Military investigators, the DOD, the Pentagon and President Obama knew, the American public DID NOT KNOW. The official line from the Military and the Obama Administration was that Bergdahl served with honor and was in good standing with the military, continuing to receive promotions based on time served in uniform the entire time he was with the Taliban.


Whether Susan Rice made those statements about Bergdahl knowing they were false and misleading or not, is totally irrelevant. She spoke on behalf of the Obama Administration just as she did on Benghazi, from the talking points they issued to her.


Republican's, conservatives and everyone else who supported a trade for Bergdahl, either:
a) didn't know that he did in fact desert and left his post in the dead of night to seek out the enemy.
b) did not know that Obama was going to give up 5 top level Taliban terrorists in the trade
c) had no knowledge of "a" or "b".

The people who supported making a trade in order to bring Bergdahl home, did so without knowing all the facts.,, Facts that for many people, including myself, would have resulted in withdrawing their support for the deal that the president made.

You may be a progressive, but you sure as hell aren't stupid... You knew all of this when you attacked republicans, but chose to lie anyway. That is simply pathetic and speaks volumes about your moral character and the validity of your beliefs.
 
He served so honorably and so distinctively that he will get court martialed for it. Remember the touching scene after the Rose Garden speech with his parents. It's very touching.

Oh what was the other famous Rice Sunday morning thing? Oh yeah. That turned out to be true <cough> as well.

Rice seems to be the go to person to force feed the desired narrative on the Sunday talk shows.

A sure sign that the narrative it's little more than Obama and administration unicorns, wishful thinking and above all pure, lying bull****.
 
I don't disagree with that.

I agree with you also... Deserter or not, the government needed to bring back home, even if it was to face charges.

I just disagree with what the president gave up to bring him home.
 
You are right, he hasn't been convicted, but I don't think there is a lot of doubt at this point that he voluntarily walked away from his unit. But like I said earlier, I don't fault Obama for trying to get the guy back. I think the way he went about it is what is causing the problems. As your quote from McCain at the beginning of this thread showed, he was not opposed to the idea of a prisoner swap. Had Obama approached Mccain with a potential deal, he might have gone along with it and be defending Obama right now.

But if Obama wants to use his pen and his phone and go it alone, then he really cant expect a lot of support and good cheer from the legislative branch.

If the issue is Obama not going to Congress then I can concede that Obama erred. However, it's a tempest in a teapot in the grand scheme of things. In the words of Reagan "You can't quarrel with success". Obama got it done.
 
What?

What his platoon members knew when he deserted in 2009, the US Military investigators knew.
What the US Military investigators knew, the DOD and Pentagon knew.
What the the DOD and Pentagon knew, President Obama knew.

You can't really show evidence for any of this can you? First you claim that it was known that Berghdal deserted. You can't show evidence of anybody knowing the truth. Then you claim that his platoon members knew. Yet all the evidence points to them coming forward AFTER Berghdal was returned. Now, you claim that Obama knew, yet there is absolutely nothing to validate that other than... he knew, they knew everyone knew. I'll hold my breath until you come up with something tangible?
 
Well, hell. Let's let them all out. Maybe we can free up some goats on the next trade?

Then you'd be complaining about US livestock being traded for soldiers. :lol:
 
You can't really show evidence for any of this can you? First you claim that it was known that Berghdal deserted. You can't show evidence of anybody knowing the truth. Then you claim that his platoon members knew. Yet all the evidence points to them coming forward AFTER Berghdal was returned. Now, you claim that Obama knew, yet there is absolutely nothing to validate that other than... he knew, they knew everyone knew. I'll hold my breath until you come up with something tangible?

How's that "omitting common sense" strategy working out for you?
 
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