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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Only it isn't. Republicans want to lynch Obama for doing what they asked be done. The proof is in their words. Not parsing what you think they said.
    BINGO Hatuey....you are absolutely correct. This is just a classic example of right-wing hypocrisy at its finest.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    BINGO Hatuey....you are absolutely correct. This is just a classic example of right-wing hypocrisy at its finest.
    I don't think it's "right wing hypocrisy". I think it's "Republican hypocrisy", but all I can do is laugh at it because it's patently obvious. Everyone seemed on board with the idea of bringing Berghdal back. Until they weren't. Then when he was here, he became a traitor and all that other stuff. I don't doubt that it's political. As MMC said, this was a Catch-22 for Obama. No matter what he did, Republicans would figure out something to complain about even though they themselves advocated for his return on NUMEROUS occasions and across VARIOUS formats and podiums. In the end, I don't care. I just found it really funny. It must have been an evolution in their positions.

    I think for the most part, Democrats still support bringing him back. I know I do. He has far more insight into the US military than a civilian. It's possible that he could have been training some of them and even giving them intel. That's not somebody we want to keep in their hands for long. It's clear that he was useful to them or they wouldn't have kept him alive. We traded him for 5 terrorists. Good, any country with an understanding of what is risked by keeping soldiers in enemy hands would do the same. Ask Israel.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post





    Uhm, that should be Private no stripe.
    Oh that was good. I'm jealous.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol@Republicans.
    Did they all know then that he was a deserter like Obama must have when he made the deal?
    "One very rewarding opposition strategy has always been to make the mundane look unsavory and draw distinctions with the same behavior by their own team."

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    And.. if he deserted... why was it that no one saw him leave camp in a hostile area. If he could leave undetected.. then it stands to reason the enemy could have entered undetected. This smells to high heaven.
    From all accounts his unit was notorious for being undisciplined, insubordinate, and ignoring rules of combat. Their commanding officer was demoted and reassigned but wasn't replaced so they were there at that outpost without any commissioned officers. Instead they were led by an inexperienced Sergeant that everyone ignored without consequence. They were going out on missions wearing cutoff t-shirts, bandannas, and baseball caps for goodness sake. If he hadn't left, they probably would have gotten him killed anyway. One hast to wonder whether deserting is justified when your unit has been abandoned by military leadership and you're stuck in a hostile country in the middle of a war and surrounded by a bunch of yahoos who do whatever the heck they want whenever they want to. These issues were known before they were shipped out so they never should have been deployed in the first place let alone dropped into their own outpost and left to their own devices. In my view, the whole series of events is an indictment on the incompetence of the brass rather than the nobody who walked away from it all.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Did they all know then that he was a deserter like Obama must have when he made the deal?
    Don't know that anyone must have known anything. What I do know is what everyone else knows for sure. That there were missions that went to look for Berghdal almost immediately after he went missing. That there are 5 years of quotes where the administration as well as many congress critters called for his return. And that Obama did everything he could to bring the guy back only to be flogged publicly by people who wanted just that. In either case, it's irrelevant to the matter at hand. if Berghdal really did something heinously illegal, he should be convicted for it. Leaving him in Afghanistan when members of his unit admit that it made them unsafe is simply not acceptable.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well, you finally realized that your accusation of "irony" fell far short of the actual post. The "new reality" is that Republicans had a change of heart after the guy was brought back. I'm still in favor of having brought him back. Those 5 camel jockies we traded for him didn't have the insight into the US army that a soldier would have. Crazy, I know. Trading somebody who could have given them insight into the US military for any of the thousands of prisoners which we could simply bomb out of the sky any other week. Totes crazy.



    I don't think you actually know what that word means. I'm not pointing to Republicans because of what they're doing, I'm laughing at their demonstrable hypocrisy. As MMC said: This was going to be a catch-22 for Obama. Bring him back? Republicans complain about trading him. Keep him there? Complain about not bringing him back.
    Right. You are ignoring the op, the facts of the story, and instead attacking republicans. That's an act you said people only do when they have no argument. Ironic.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So you are objecting to the conclusion of the Military investigation because you don't know the story?

    Seems rational...
    I've seen what the military has done in the past, I'll wait until the information is released to the public.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Right. You are ignoring the op, the facts of the story, and instead attacking republicans.
    Not even. Making fun of them for not standing by what they advocated on the very issue. Instead of pointing at phantom occurrences of perceived hypocrisy. Keep trying?
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm discussing the fact that Republicans agreed with bringing back Obama, until they had a change of heart, after he was actually brought back.
    I would like to see where anyone wanted your obama to trade 5 top level terrorists for this traitor.

    And, you wonder why we don't want your obama negotiating with Iran?
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