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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    So you are claiming that the DOD knew that he was a deserter, had informed the president.. and that he ordered this men sent in to find him?

    Not in thay order.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Considering the desertion was already known about since 2010, as per MMCs admission, and her comment was made in 2014, then she did in fact flip-flop.
    How is it a flip flop?

    Let's ignore for one moment that her quote DID NOT STATE A SINGULAR THING about bringing ihm home, or what needs to done (it simply says that they're praying for him, and that it shows we havne't defeated terrorism). Let's also ignore for one moment that accepting, the time lines you and Grim seem to be working on, your own quote acknowledges that her quote was in 2009 meaning prior to the desertion being known.

    Even ignoring all those things, it's still not a "flip flop" unless she has specifically suggested we shouldn't have brought him back under any circumstance because he's an (accused) deserter.

    Utter nonsense, there were negotiations for 5 years on this issue that obviously didn't make any highlights except for sporadic mentions in the news. It'll be posted bellow because they also relate to McCain's words.

    McCain was well aware of the details, hell the media was well aware of the details.
    And even with his discussion with Cooper, he caches his comments in less than absolutes, such as "inclined to support". Again, indicating support for a prisoner to be recovered is not the same as suggesting that you would absolutely be okay with any means necessary being done to regain said prisoner. Just like saying that I support selling my car doesn't mean I'm suggesting I'd support selling it for absolutely any offer that was negotiated in any fashion imaginable.

    Then Ayotte was being a hypocrite on this matter and did clearly flip flop

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Reality is Bergdahl even if found guilty will not face a death sentence and even in the unlikely case of being sentenced to the maximum, it will be life in prison - he'll probably be eligible for parole after much less time. More likely is he will face a minimum or just a dishonorable. If he does get jail time, I would think Obama would consider exonerating Bergdahl on his way out of office.

    The left will protect Obama regardless of the potential damage he has and will continue to inflict by the White House's incompetence and world view. It's the new norm. There are little to no reasonable Democrats left and those that are, will not stay or will not run for Congress.
    I do hold out some hope. The narcissistic spineless weasel Obama will do everything possible to delay the trial until after he leaves office. So if his predecessor respects the honor and dignity of the military, Bergdahl just might get the penalty deserving of his crime. If a dem is elected Bergdahl will be appointed to the Joint Chiefs.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I just read that the scum bucket is going to claim that he left to report abusive practices in his unit and intended to come back. This will be another Bradley Mannng defense.

    I'm sick and damned tired of these traitors and cowards being turned into martyrs.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You obviously didn't read through the thread, but his desertion "news" were known since at least 2010.
    No, I didn't read through the thread. The topic doesn't massively interest me. I primarily read the first page.

    Whether or not Hoft knew that Bergdahl was a potential deserted when he made the statement is irrelevant. Him being a deserter doesn't mean he wasn't captured. It doesn't mean he wasn't still alive. And it doesn't mean that Hoft felt it was sad that he believed Obama would leave him behind. Nothing you posted counters the notion you bolded, that the actual charge of disertion doesn't actually alter or conflict with Hoft's previous statement.

    And again, you simply ignore the primary point of the post, which was noting the difference between saying/hoping/suggesting/praying/wanting to see a soldier be brought home and suggesting it should be done by any means necessary, as it relates to complaining about the President's means of actually returning him home. Nothing from the quote you had of John Hoft suggests it's hypocritical of him to complain about Obama taking the measures he took to get Hoft back. It would ONLY be hypocritical now if he was suggesting we shouldn't, under any method, brought Bergdahl back.

    While there's portions of Nugent's comments that I think are hypocritical, this one you cite are not. Suggesting he can do "all it can" inherently suggests all that one can LEGALLY do. There's absolute question regarding the legality of the method in which the exchange happened, which is at least a grey area for him to complain about a bit. That said, in a general sense I stick by my previous statement that he seemed rather hypocritical in condmenation of the deal after claiming that "everything possible" should be done to retrieve people.

    If we go by your standards of contradiction, even if it turns out he's convicted, she's still right considering how the information available.
    Actually, we're not considering...as you've repeatedly asserted, the suggestion that he was a potential deserter was known back in 2010, meaning that such a statement being made prior to the actual full process of justice playing out was either ridiculous ignorant or purpsefully misleading.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Not in thay order.
    Okay,,, in what order?

    Honestly,.. I don't see what the issue is here. Bergdahl was captured and held by the enemy. Maybe he deserted.. maybe he flipped out.. maybe maybe maybe.

    At the end of the day.. the DOD, the president.. etc acted on the information that they had at the time... which apparently didn;t even reach a level that they charged Bergdahl with desertion until he got back.

    That's beyond the fact that he has not been actually CONVICTED of anything.

    So I can't see the error in trying to get one of our own back. If anything.. I want our president to error on bringing back all those we put in harms way.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Okay,,, in what order?

    Honestly,.. I don't see what the issue is here. Bergdahl was captured and held by the enemy. Maybe he deserted.. maybe he flipped out.. maybe maybe maybe.

    At the end of the day.. the DOD, the president.. etc acted on the information that they had at the time... which apparently didn;t even reach a level that they charged Bergdahl with desertion until he got back.

    That's beyond the fact that he has not been actually CONVICTED of anything.

    So I can't see the error in trying to get one of our own back. If anything.. I want our president to error on bringing back all those we put in harms way.


    You don't get it. I forget, what was obama trying to deflect in the media at the time? GITMO? or some other **** he was involved with that made him look bad, you remember?
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You don't get it. I forget, what was obama trying to deflect in the media at the time? GITMO? or some other **** he was involved with that made him look bad, you remember?
    right.. I don't get it...

    So the reason that Obama/DOD sent soldiers out to look for Bergdahl was because they thought it would deflect the media?

    Or was it that the DOD had evidence that supported a charge against Bergdahl,,,, but they didn't charge him with desertion until he was returned because they all wanted to have something to distract the media with?

    Seriously... explain your rationale...

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You don't get it. I forget, what was obama trying to deflect in the media at the time? GITMO? or some other **** he was involved with that made him look bad, you remember?
    The biggest thing that made Obama look bad was him and members of his administration making Bergdahl out to be some kind of hero, and refusing to acknowledge the truth about the circuimstances of his disappearance. They kept sticking to the "He served with honor" line, which is why all those men who served with him went public.

    ... but yes, I believe it was the GITMO thing.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Okay,,, in what order?

    Honestly,.. I don't see what the issue is here. Bergdahl was captured and held by the enemy. Maybe he deserted.. maybe he flipped out.. maybe maybe maybe.

    At the end of the day.. the DOD, the president.. etc acted on the information that they had at the time... which apparently didn;t even reach a level that they charged Bergdahl with desertion until he got back.

    That's beyond the fact that he has not been actually CONVICTED of anything.

    So I can't see the error in trying to get one of our own back. If anything.. I want our president to error on bringing back all those we put in harms way.
    Uhm while Susan Rice was calling him a Soldier that served with " honor and distinction " and while his fFather was mumbling in Pashto in the Rose Garden Soldiers that were THERE when he deserted were giving interviews on a Variety of radio and TV News shows.

    There accounts seem to be accurate given the Military's decision to prosecute him for desertion.

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