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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    I just read that the scum bucket is going to claim that he left to report abusive practices in his unit and intended to come back. This will be another Bradley Mannng defense.

    I'm sick and damned tired of these traitors and cowards being turned into martyrs.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Now that I can post a link - Bergdahl's Defense Is He Was Planning to Come Back - Bloomberg View

    “He had concerns about certain conditions in the unit and things that happened in the unit and he figured that the only way to get any attention to them would be to get that information to a general officer,” Bergdahl’s lawyer, Eugene Fidell, told me Thursday. Based on that, Fidell could argue that Bergdahl was thus technically "absent without official leave" (AWOL), rather than a deserter. The distinction could mean the difference between one month of confinement or life in prison for his client.
    So your defense is that, while in a combat zone, you felt the need to report "certain conditions" to a General and to do that you figured that wandering off outside the wire was the best way to find one? This is about the most stupid excuse I have ever heard and the ONLY reason I can even think of offering it is that someone in the White House wants to make this incident into an excuse to further scrub the ranks of officers and soldiers who actually do their job.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sarah Palin Quote - Statement is not wrong based on the new information, nor does it condone the swap Obama ultimately did

    Allen West quote - Statement is not wrong based on the new information. The second part is question with regards to the swap. He suggested there's been no indication from Obama about trying to get Bergdahl back wihtout a way to have media "highlights" regarding it. Well, he did take action to get him back...and there were ways of making it a "media highlight", by propping him up as a hero who served with "distinction and honor". At the time of the comment however, publicly, West was correct in his impression

    John McCain quote - Statement is not wrong based on the new information. Clearly indicated he'd need to know the details, but in general he'd support ways of bringing him home. And that an exchange would be something to consider. If I say I would consider selling my house as a means of dealing with my debt, that doesn't mean I agree with you offering me $10 for it. His comment absolutely gives him reasonable wiggle room to still be critical of the actual deal.

    Kelly Ayotte quote - Statement is not wrong based on new information, however it does condone the swap Obama ultimately did. Ayotte claimed that they should do "all [they] can" to find and bring him home. A swap of 5 prisoners is part of "all they can". If she complained about the swap, she was being rather hypocritical.

    James Inhofe quote - Ditto to the above

    Jim Hoft - Statement isn't changed by the desertion news, but is in terms of whether or not Obama was ultimately going to lave him behind. Does not really give an indication of "any means necessary" type approach, so doesn't automatically means based on this quote that he should agree with the actual swap.

    Michele Malkin - Prior to the desertion news really even permeating any line of media, and again doesn't really indicate in any way that she'd have to agree with the Obama deal.

    Rich Nugent - Nothing contradictory based on the desertion news, but like Ayotte and Inhofe, he'd be a hypocrite if he criticized the deal to get Bergdahl after claiming we should do "everthing possible" to retrieve left behind soldires.

    Susan Rice Quote - Absolutely is contradicted given the news of him being guilty of desertion. A deserted is not one who served with "honor"

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    My above post was in error in terms of the notion of desertion. For some reason I thought he had previously been charged, and this was the conviction. Susan Rice's comment thus is questionable, not clearly contradicted, as he's not been found guilty of desertion at this point.
    The point of his thread, which he has already confirmed, was that republicans wanted Obama to bring Bergdahl home and after the president did, they opposed bringing him home and criticized the president for doing so... That of course is not true.

    The criticism leveled by republicans and conservatives was based on the deal Obama made for what his Administration dishonestly insinuated was a war hero. They never said or implied that Bergdahl should not be brought home as he claims.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sarah Palin Quote - Statement is not wrong based on the new information, nor does it condone the swap Obama ultimately did
    Considering the desertion was already known about since 2010, as per MMCs admission, and her comment was made in 2014, then she did in fact flip-flop.

    Allen West quote - Statement is not wrong based on the new information. The second part is question with regards to the swap. He suggested there's been no indication from Obama about trying to get Bergdahl back wihtout a way to have media "highlights" regarding it. Well, he did take action to get him back...and there were ways of making it a "media highlight", by propping him up as a hero who served with "distinction and honor". At the time of the comment however, publicly, West was correct in his impression
    Utter nonsense, there were negotiations for 5 years on this issue that obviously didn't make any highlights except for sporadic mentions in the news. It'll be posted bellow because they also relate to McCain's words.

    John McCain quote - Statement is not wrong based on the new information. Clearly indicated he'd need to know the details, but in general he'd support ways of bringing him home. And that an exchange would be something to consider. If I say I would consider selling my house as a means of dealing with my debt, that doesn't mean I agree with you offering me $10 for it. His comment absolutely gives him reasonable wiggle room to still be critical of the actual deal.
    McCain was well aware of the details, hell the media was well aware of the details.

    Did John McCain flip-flop on the Bergdahl deal? - The Washington Post

    In August 2011, the Associated Press reported that Afghan negotiators were seeking the release of Taliban fighters in exchange for Bergdahl, naming specifically Khairkhwa, Fazi and Wasiq. In January 2012, the Guardian newspaper reported that Washington would free Khairkhwa and Noori, and possibly Fazi, in exchange for getting the Taliban to open an office in Qatar for peace talks.

    In a March 9, 2012, report, the Afghanistan Analysts Network issued a long report on the Guantanamo Five, which actually found that the men were less hard-line than believed.

    Then in August 2012, Reuters reported that the Obama administration had offered to trade “five senior Taliban leaders” — including Khairkhwa, Wasiq, Noori and Fazi — for Bergdahl. The headline on Business Insider’s Web site was: “The US Wants To Trade Five Taliban Leaders In Guantánamo For This One American POW.”
    He even discussed this deal with Anderson Cooper:

    COOPER: Would you oppose the idea of some form of negotiations or prisoner exchange? I know back in 2012 you called the idea of even negotiating with the Taliban bizarre, highly questionable.

    McCAIN: Well, at that time the proposal was that they would release Taliban, some of them really hard-core, particularly five really hard-core Taliban leaders, as a confidence-building measure. Now this idea is for an exchange of prisoners for our American fighting man. I would be inclined to support such a thing depending on a lot of the details.
    Kelly Ayotte quote - Statement is not wrong based on new information, however it does condone the swap Obama ultimately did. Ayotte claimed that they should do "all [they] can" to find and bring him home. A swap of 5 prisoners is part of "all they can". If she complained about the swap, she was being rather hypocritical.

    James Inhofe quote - Ditto to the above
    Inhofe: Bergdahl Swap Part of Obama's 'Obsession to Close Gitmo' - Breitbart

    On Fox News Channel’s “The Kelly File” on Monday, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) railed against the Obama administration’s deal with the Taliban last week for the release of U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. Inhofe chastised the outcome as one that resulted from negotiating with terrorists and one that was motivated by an obsession to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayotte May 22nd 2014
    “With 29 percent of former Guantanamo detainees having reengaged or being suspected of reengaging in terrorism, the administration’s decision to release these five terrorist detainees endangers U.S. national security interests. It also sets a precedent that could encourage our enemies to capture more Americans in order to gain concessions from our government.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I just read that the scum bucket is going to claim that he left to report abusive practices in his unit and intended to come back. This will be another Bradley Mannng defense.

    I'm sick and damned tired of these traitors and cowards being turned into martyrs.
    Yea I read that too.

    It won't fly though. Obama thought he could kill two birds with one stone by emptying out Gitmo AND returning a Soldier " who served with Honor and distinction " home.

    Well like so many of his misadventures it backfired on him.

    He assumed that the Military would play ball but the fact that they didn't shows their not bending to Obama's Political gimmicks one bit.

    They will try him and find him guilty for dessertion because thats exactly what he did ( among other things )

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    I don't think Bowe will be mentioned in President Obama's Library.
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion





    Lest we forget, we didn't just trade 6 terrorist savages for this deserter....
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Jim Hoft - Statement isn't changed by the desertion news, but is in terms of whether or not Obama was ultimately going to lave him behind. Does not really give an indication of "any means necessary" type approach, so doesn't automatically means based on this quote that he should agree with the actual swap.
    You obviously didn't read through the thread, but his desertion "news" were known since at least 2010.

    Bowe Bergdahl: America's Last Prisoner of War by Michael Hastings | Rolling Stone

    Ralph Peters, an action-thriller writer who serves as a "strategic analyst" for Fox News, took to the air to condemn Bowe as an "apparent deserter." The Taliban, he declared, could save the United States on "legal bills" by executing him.
    According to officials familiar with the internal debate, there are those in both Congress and the Pentagon who view Bowe as a deserter, and perhaps even a traitor. As with everything in Washington these days, the sharp political discord has complicated efforts to secure his release.
    Michele Malkin - Prior to the desertion news really even permeating any line of media, and again doesn't really indicate in any way that she'd have to agree with the Obama deal.
    I can concede on this one.

    Rich Nugent - Nothing contradictory based on the desertion news, but like Ayotte and Inhofe, he'd be a hypocrite if he criticized the deal to get Bergdahl after claiming we should do "everthing possible" to retrieve left behind soldires.
    GOP Urged White House To 'Do All It Can' To Get Bowe Bergdahl

    "But what angers me so much about this situation is that knowing full well that there was strong opposition to a prisoner swap in Congress, the Administration decided to go behind our backs and release the detainees without the notification required by law,"
    Susan Rice Quote - Absolutely is contradicted given the news of him being guilty of desertion. A deserted is not one who served with "honor"

    -edit-

    My above post was in error in terms of the notion of desertion. For some reason I thought he had previously been charged, and this was the conviction. Susan Rice's comment thus is questionable, not clearly contradicted, as he's not been found guilty of desertion at this point.
    If we go by your standards of contradiction, even if it turns out he's convicted, she's still right considering how the information available.

    Did John McCain flip-flop on the Bergdahl deal? - The Washington Post
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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

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    Lest we forget, we didn't just trade 6 terrorist savages for this deserter....
    Yep.

    Those men that gave their lives in a attempt to try and find him are now going to be accused of " abusive practices " by him as a defense for desertion.

    He's going to claim he left base to report the wide spread abuse by the young men that risked their lives for him.

    This smells like the Obama administration has gotten involved.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post




    Lest we forget, we didn't just trade 6 terrorist savages for this deserter....
    So you are claiming that the DOD knew that he was a deserter, had informed the president.. and that he ordered this men sent in to find him?

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