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    Re: In Nuclear Talks, Iran Seeks to Avoid Specifics

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    It frightens me that you have to explain that to them.
    It is frightening that you actually believe that.

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    Re: In Nuclear Talks, Iran Seeks to Avoid Specifics

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    It frightens me that you have to explain that to them.
    It's a strategy that is ages old. Hell, it is a common tool of "community organizers".

    1) Reach a vague agreement in principle with a politically motivated opponent.

    2) Wait for the opponent to tie themselves to the deal by announcing the terms of the deal publically for political gain.

    3) Counter-announce that the terms spelled out by your opponent publically with regard to your responsibilities are actually incorrect.

    4) Your opponent will then state that they are going to drop their end of the bargain if you don't keep yours.

    5) Announce that your opponent is backing away from the responsibilities they themselves admitted publically to agreeing to, and are the only verifiable terms of the agreement.

    6) Your Opponent, not willing to look like they lost the negotiation, will then keep their end of the bargain, relieving you of obligation of keeping yours.


    Repeat this as often as necessary until you achieve the goal your opponent didn't want you to achieve.
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    Re: In Nuclear Talks, Iran Seeks to Avoid Specifics

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's a strategy that is ages old. Hell, it is a common tool of "community organizers".

    1) Reach a vague agreement in principle with a politically motivated opponent.

    2) Wait for the opponent to tie themselves to the deal by announcing the terms of the deal publically for political gain.


    3) Counter-announce that the terms spelled out by your opponent publically with regard to your responsibilities are actually incorrect.

    4) Your opponent will then state that they are going to drop their end of the bargain if you don't keep yours.

    5) Announce that your opponent is backing away from the responsibilities they themselves admitted publically to agreeing to, and are the only verifiable terms of the agreement.

    6) Your Opponent, not willing to look like they lost the negotiation, will then keep their end of the bargain, relieving you of obligation of keeping yours.


    Repeat this as often as necessary until you achieve the goal your opponent didn't want you to achieve.
    All sides are politically motivated and do this. Therefore what you have posted is meaningless. It seems likely this is your negotiating strategy.

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    Re: In Nuclear Talks, Iran Seeks to Avoid Specifics

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist View Post
    All sides are politically motivated and do this. Therefore what you have posted is meaningless. It seems likely this is your negotiating strategy.
    No, they aren't. Iran's motivation is to get a nuclear weapon. If they weren't then we wouldn't need the negotiation.
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    Re: In Nuclear Talks, Iran Seeks to Avoid Specifics

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, they aren't. Iran's motivation is to get a nuclear weapon. If they weren't then we wouldn't need the negotiation.
    No, their motivation is not to get a nuclear weapon. That is something that you want people to believe. Iran's motivation in these negotiations is to get relief from the sanctions. That motivation has a political element to it.

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    Re: In Nuclear Talks, Iran Seeks to Avoid Specifics

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist View Post
    No, their motivation is not to get a nuclear weapon. That is something that you want people to believe. Iran's motivation in these negotiations is to get relief from the sanctions. That motivation has a political element to it.
    Then why not pleasure the IAEA and the Security Council? The head of IAEA said the Iranians are not convincing his people.

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    Re: In Nuclear Talks, Iran Seeks to Avoid Specifics

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Then why not pleasure the IAEA and the Security Council? The head of IAEA said the Iranians are not convincing his people.
    They negotiations currently taking place are about finding a satisfactory solution to the problem. Iran is not motivated in these negotiations by trying to get a nuclear weapon. They are motivated by trying to get relief from sanctions.

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    Re: In Nuclear Talks, Iran Seeks to Avoid Specifics

    Obviously Zarif is doing his best to cooperate while appeasing the nuts back home, just as Kerry is doing his best while trying to deal with the nuts back home. Seems both countries have some nuts that would like to derail the negotiations.

    Iran’s top negotiator, Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, has made it clear to his Western counterparts that keeping hard-liners in the country in check — including generals in the Revolutionary Guard Corps and powerful mullahs who dislike the idea of being limited by any accord — is a delicate art. His fear is that a deal that details Iranian compromises could give them an opening to scuttle a final deal.

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    Re: In Nuclear Talks, Iran Seeks to Avoid Specifics

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist View Post
    They negotiations currently taking place are about finding a satisfactory solution to the problem. Iran is not motivated in these negotiations by trying to get a nuclear weapon. They are motivated by trying to get relief from sanctions.
    Thing is, that the Head of IAEA said the other day that Iran was not cooperating and that the IAEA cannot determine whether or not it is developing military capability. As there have been a number of things they were doing that IAEA said were only compatible with a weapons program, it sounds as though we are where we were 5 years ago.

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    Re: In Nuclear Talks, Iran Seeks to Avoid Specifics

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist View Post
    No, their motivation is not to get a nuclear weapon. That is something that you want people to believe. Iran's motivation in these negotiations is to get relief from the sanctions. That motivation has a political element to it.
    There motivation is to get the sanctions lifted while achieving their objective of obtaining the bomb, nobody is fooled by the genocidal thecorats who speak out of both sides of their mouths, claiming to want peaceful negotiations while demanding death to America, ****ing spare us.

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