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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I agree we need the framework deal before the end of March. I also believe that it must be concrete and specific. It must meet the terms set forth by the IAEA and UN Security Council and must contain a robust verification mechanism. Otherwise, it will be clear that Iran has not made the fundamental commitments that are required to bring it into compliance with the IAEA's and UN Security Council's requirements.

    I share concerns that political expediency may be pushing things toward a vague and relatively hollow arrangement. As I've stated before, without a credible framework deal, Congress should act. If Iran was not willing to meet its obligations after two prior extensions of deadline, there's little reason to believe Iran would suddenly change course over the next three months to reach a credible agreement. Moreover, the remaining three months were supposed to be about finalizing details, preparing the annexes, etc., to transform the framework agreement spelling out the major terms into a final agreement.

    A non-substantive framework agreement won't mask the absence of agreement on the core issues, even as some might try to package it as a breakthrough. Without such agreement, the June deadline would be hit, and then the P5+1 would then be confronted with the choice of granting another extension with the hope that Iran will become flexible or reaching the firm conclusion that Iran is not prepared or willing to meet its international obligations. Moreover, the P5+1 would probably face a lot of pressure to grant the extension, at a minimum to sustain a narrative that progress is being made, even as fundamental issues remain unresolved. Therefore, I favor Congress's increasing U.S. sanctions against Iran, and adopting other measures aimed at undercutting its nuclear activities, if a credible framework agreement is not in place by the end of this month.
    France has argued that the deadline date is being treated more importantly than the contents of the agreement, and would accept relaxing that date. Don't know that their right or not. The right, which had no problem telling the French to **** off when they pointed out that Colin Powell's presentation was unconvincing, and that if the US attacked Iraq without a consensus, it would be a victory for the might makes right meme, suddenly finds France completely relevant on this subject. A completely transparent case of partisan dung.
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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I agree we need the framework deal before the end of March. I also believe that it must be concrete and specific. It must meet the terms set forth by the IAEA and UN Security Council and must contain a robust verification mechanism. Otherwise, it will be clear that Iran has not made the fundamental commitments that are required to bring it into compliance with the IAEA's and UN Security Council's requirements.

    I share concerns that political expediency may be pushing things toward a vague and relatively hollow arrangement. As I've stated before, without a credible framework deal, Congress should act. If Iran was not willing to meet its obligations after two prior extensions of deadline, there's little reason to believe Iran would suddenly change course over the next three months to reach a credible agreement. Moreover, the remaining three months were supposed to be about finalizing details, preparing the annexes, etc., to transform the framework agreement spelling out the major terms into a final agreement.

    A non-substantive framework agreement won't mask the absence of agreement on the core issues, even as some might try to package it as a breakthrough. Without such agreement, the June deadline would be hit, and then the P5+1 would then be confronted with the choice of granting another extension with the hope that Iran will become flexible or reaching the firm conclusion that Iran is not prepared or willing to meet its international obligations. Moreover, the P5+1 would probably face a lot of pressure to grant the extension, at a minimum to sustain a narrative that progress is being made, even as fundamental issues remain unresolved. Therefore, I favor Congress's increasing U.S. sanctions against Iran, and adopting other measures aimed at undercutting its nuclear activities, if a credible framework agreement is not in place by the end of this month.
    It's easy to get lost in all the details of these negotiations, but any agreement that is reached means nothing unless backed by the willingness of the United States to use military force should Iran reneg on it. Trade sanctions by themselves are a very uncertain deterrent to Jew-hating Islamist murderers who are determined to get nuclear weapons.

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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    It been a Charade/Delay, Delay, Delay, for more than a DECADE.
    The EU offered Free Off-site Enrichment to end the impasse in 2004.
    A perfectly excellent deal for Iran IF they wanted just civilian use... without diversion of fissionable material to a weapons program.
    It's all/100% BS "New govt", "Iran wants to talk", "moderate wing", since then.

    The West is ABSOLUTELY allowing Iran to get the Bomb because we have no stomach for any more M-E wars.
    It's also a 'Risk/Reward' situation, because even mere missile strikes would set the world economy/oil into chaos.
    Sanctions have helped somewhat, tougher ones would at least get better terms from Iran. They would continue to cheat with secret facilities unless open/instant/inspections were granted. Not going to happen.
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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    As though loosing the stomach for war is a negative. Spoken by a true blue war hawk!
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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From today's edition of The Washington Post:



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/un-nuclear-watchdog-iran-not-providing-needed-information-access/2015/03/24/6557b24a-d23d-11e4-8fce-3941fc548f1c_story.html

    This is exactly why any agreement will need to have an intrusive and robust verification mechanism that runs beyond periodic inspections if it is to be credible. Iran's continuing failure to provide the IAEA with relevant information even as the diplomacy is approaching a critical deadline, raises serious potential compliance issues. My view remains unchanged concerning the looming deadline: if Iran fails to reach an agreement in principle with robust verification by the end of this month, Congress should reinstall the sanctions. That Iran continues to be evasive when it comes to the IAEA's requests for information and access argues that even if such sanctions cause Iran to walk away from the talks, those sanctions may offer the best prospect for limiting the risk of illicit Iranian nuclear arms-related activities.
    FEAR NOT!!!!!! The Iranians will absolutely be fully cooperative, transparent and honest with the Obama/Kerry Treaty, because they respect Obama as such a strong and competent leader who always enforces his decrees. Haven't you learned anything from president 'red-line' in Syria? Yemen? Libya?
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Hiccups in a negotiation process? They must be making nuclear warheads!

    Sound reasoning, yet again.
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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As though loosing the stomach for war is a negative. Spoken by a true blue war hawk!
    For people who favor policies that actually make war more likely to claim to love peace more those who believe the best way to prevent war has always been to be ready and willing to have it, if there is no alternative, is self-aggrandizing and phony.

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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    FEAR NOT!!!!!! The Iranians will absolutely be fully cooperative, transparent and honest with the Obama/Kerry Treaty, because they respect Obama as such a strong and competent leader who always enforces his decrees. Haven't you learned anything from president 'red-line' in Syria? Yemen? Libya?
    I had always considered the Liar-in-Chief a Red, but President Redline fits him perfectly!

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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From today's edition of The Washington Post:



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/un-nuclear-watchdog-iran-not-providing-needed-information-access/2015/03/24/6557b24a-d23d-11e4-8fce-3941fc548f1c_story.html

    This is exactly why any agreement will need to have an intrusive and robust verification mechanism that runs beyond periodic inspections if it is to be credible. Iran's continuing failure to provide the IAEA with relevant information even as the diplomacy is approaching a critical deadline, raises serious potential compliance issues. My view remains unchanged concerning the looming deadline: if Iran fails to reach an agreement in principle with robust verification by the end of this month, Congress should reinstall the sanctions. That Iran continues to be evasive when it comes to the IAEA's requests for information and access argues that even if such sanctions cause Iran to walk away from the talks, those sanctions may offer the best prospect for limiting the risk of illicit Iranian nuclear arms-related activities.


    Standard playbook used by NK also: Stall, pretend to cooperate then stall, re-negotiate, flip out and throw everyone out of the country, re-negotiate, stall, pretend to comply, stall some more... eventually they have nukes.

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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From today's edition of The Washington Post:



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/un-nuclear-watchdog-iran-not-providing-needed-information-access/2015/03/24/6557b24a-d23d-11e4-8fce-3941fc548f1c_story.html

    This is exactly why any agreement will need to have an intrusive and robust verification mechanism that runs beyond periodic inspections if it is to be credible. Iran's continuing failure to provide the IAEA with relevant information even as the diplomacy is approaching a critical deadline, raises serious potential compliance issues. My view remains unchanged concerning the looming deadline: if Iran fails to reach an agreement in principle with robust verification by the end of this month, Congress should reinstall the sanctions. That Iran continues to be evasive when it comes to the IAEA's requests for information and access argues that even if such sanctions cause Iran to walk away from the talks, those sanctions may offer the best prospect for limiting the risk of illicit Iranian nuclear arms-related activities.
    Sounds to me like Iran wants something. They always do. I'm for a media blast ala Radio Free Europe to appeal the general populace who don't think we're bad at all and have an interest in joining the modern generation.
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