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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    And Iran has shown such a willingness to co-operate with inspectors and obey the rules.
    Inspections would be one part of a broader verification regime. Moreover, the fact that Iran has yet to resolve two core issues brought forward by the IAEA, even during the diplomatic process, undercuts the notion that one should accept Iran's word on good faith.

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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    There's always an Obama bot at the outset to make a wild claim about how it's a lie
    Im not an "Obama bot"

    ......and not one citation.
    Excuse me. I had my number wrong. There was not 7 areas with the PMD's it was 5 areas, and Iran has completed the 3 of the 5 actions. There still remains 2 areas.
    "Iran has completed three of five actions it pledged to take as part of its cooperation with the IAEA’s investigation into past military actions."
    IAEA Report Shows Iran’s Nuclear Program Remains Frozen |


    Do you seriously expect anyone to believe you after six years of this kind of vacuous bull****?
    Well its not bull****...

    Even if true, two areas are outstanding so it is NOT a lie until Iran turns over everything requested....which we are certain they will do because now that Obama and Kerry are dealing with them, they have become nice people who don't hate America anymore...all that "Death to America" is like an old habit...they can't help themselves, they really are kind and gentle and care deeply when they are slaughtering your family in front of your eyes and always apply balm to the burn wounds they leave when torturing.
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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Inspections would be one part of a broader verification regime. Moreover, the fact that Iran has yet to resolve two core issues brought forward by the IAEA, even during the diplomatic process, undercuts the notion that one should accept Iran's word on good faith.
    Who has advocated accepting anybody's word on good faith. How many times have the Obama administration reiterated that any agreement will have a dual premise, Iran will be denied the construction of nuclear weapons, and a rigorous inspection program will continuously monitor and ensure that end.
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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    You have to understand that the U.S. will accept ANYTHING at this point to prove Obama can make a deal. So long as the media feeds the public the administration line that it is this deal or war, the public will choose this deal.

    Do you or anyone on this board really believe that Obama/ Kerry would lose a minute's sleep over the fact that Iran has a bomb?
    If some of the recent news reports are accurate, there does seem to be an element of political expediency that is driving the U.S. position. IMO, a viable agreement must contain, in addition to a robust verification mechanism, terms that preclude Iran from "enrichment-related and reprocessing activities, including research and development." That was one of the key conditions set forth in UN Security Council Resolution 1696. To do less would be to open the door for the kind of illicit nuclear activities an agreement is supposed to preclude. Only nuclear activities that would be for "exclusively peaceful purposes" would be permitted. My guess, from earlier and recent news reports concerning the diplomacy, is that the Security Council's terms related to enrichment and R&D are likely to be relaxed.

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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Who has advocated accepting anybody's word on good faith. How many times have the Obama administration reiterated that any agreement will have a dual premise, Iran will be denied the construction of nuclear weapons, and a rigorous inspection program will continuously monitor and ensure that end.
    I'm making a theoretical point. We'll learn more when the terms of a framework agreement are released. Ambiguous, highly general, and non-concrete terms, particularly the absence of the UN Security Council's central component with regard to enrichment, reprocessing, and R&D or a strong verification mechanism (more than inspections) would indicate a willingness among at least some within the P5+1 to allow for such accommodation. I reserve judgment on the actual matter of whether too much faith has been placed on the assumption of Iranian compliance until there is a framework agreement and its terms are released. For now, mine is a theoretical point.

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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I'm making a theoretical point. We'll learn more when the terms of a framework agreement are released. Ambiguous, highly general, and non-concrete terms, particularly the absence of the UN Security Council's central component with regard to enrichment, reprocessing, and R&D or a strong verification mechanism (more than inspections) would indicate a willingness among at least some within the P5+1 to allow for such accommodation. I reserve judgment on the actual matter of whether too much faith has been placed on the assumption of Iranian compliance until there is a framework agreement and its terms are released. For now, mine is a theoretical point.
    On that we would agree. But I was responding to your assertion that this administration might take Iran's word for something on good faith. My mortgage company and I have a vastly better relationship then does the US and Iran, and still, they didn't take my word on good faith that I would make my mortgage payments. It's really a ridiculous argument that the UNSC would take anything from Iran based on faith.
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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Inspections would be one part of a broader verification regime. Moreover, the fact that Iran has yet to resolve two core issues brought forward by the IAEA, even during the diplomatic process, undercuts the notion that one should accept Iran's word on good faith.
    Oh, please post the details on that...and answer the question of how they will be enforced..

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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    If some of the recent news reports are accurate, there does seem to be an element of political expediency that is driving the U.S. position. IMO, a viable agreement must contain, in addition to a robust verification mechanism, terms that preclude Iran from "enrichment-related and reprocessing activities, including research and development." That was one of the key conditions set forth in UN Security Council Resolution 1696. To do less would be to open the door for the kind of illicit nuclear activities an agreement is supposed to preclude. Only nuclear activities that would be for "exclusively peaceful purposes" would be permitted. My guess, from earlier and recent news reports concerning the diplomacy, is that the Security Council's terms related to enrichment and R&D are likely to be relaxed.
    Obama has pretty much told everyone it does not matter what you or anyone else feels is a good deal. He and Kerry will accept whatever Iran tells them is their bottom line. Time has run out, the deal needs to be done this week.

    You need to face the reality is that Obama does not care what you think. He has done a masterful job of insuring that the left will do his bidding.

    Makes some lifelong democrats feel like they have been left in the desert.

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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Oh, please post the details on that...and answer the question of how they will be enforced..

    war?
    A credible verification regime would require more than inspections. Whether or not the agreement being negotiated will have such a mechanism remains to be seen. As there still is no framework agreement, the details are not available.

    Enforcement is a separate matter from verification. The U.S., like any other sovereign state, has a full range of military and non-military possibilities that it could use for enforcement purposes. The choice of enforcement options would depend on various factors. If a military response becomes necessary, there is nothing that would preclude the U.S. or U.S. and allies from destroying Iran's known nuclear facilities. The much publicized rumors from 2010 of a so-called "point of no return" by which military action could no longer be undertaken against Iran's nuclear facilities was incorrect. It also had no basis in the Laws of War. At the time, proponents of that hypothesis assumed Israel or the U.S. needed to strike Iran prior to August 21, 2010. Neither Israel nor any other country ever bought such a notion.

    In any case, a military option remains open, as Iran's military power has not expanded to the point where such an option would become too costly to pursue. Therefore, time remains available to pursue a non-military approach. A lack of Iranian willingness to meet the IAEA's and UN Security Council's requirements would reduce the range of non-military options and bring about a more serious discussion of possible military ones.

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    Re: Iran isnít providing needed access or information, nuclear watchdog says

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Obama has pretty much told everyone it does not matter what you or anyone else feels is a good deal. He and Kerry will accept whatever Iran tells them is their bottom line. Time has run out, the deal needs to be done this week.

    You need to face the reality is that Obama does not care what you think. He has done a masterful job of insuring that the left will do his bidding.

    Makes some lifelong democrats feel like they have been left in the desert.
    I agree we need the framework deal before the end of March. I also believe that it must be concrete and specific. It must meet the terms set forth by the IAEA and UN Security Council and must contain a robust verification mechanism. Otherwise, it will be clear that Iran has not made the fundamental commitments that are required to bring it into compliance with the IAEA's and UN Security Council's requirements.

    I share concerns that political expediency may be pushing things toward a vague and relatively hollow arrangement. As I've stated before, without a credible framework deal, Congress should act. If Iran was not willing to meet its obligations after two prior extensions of deadline, there's little reason to believe Iran would suddenly change course over the next three months to reach a credible agreement. Moreover, the remaining three months were supposed to be about finalizing details, preparing the annexes, etc., to transform the framework agreement spelling out the major terms into a final agreement.

    A non-substantive framework agreement won't mask the absence of agreement on the core issues, even as some might try to package it as a breakthrough. Without such agreement, the June deadline would be hit, and then the P5+1 would then be confronted with the choice of granting another extension with the hope that Iran will become flexible or reaching the firm conclusion that Iran is not prepared or willing to meet its international obligations. Moreover, the P5+1 would probably face a lot of pressure to grant the extension, at a minimum to sustain a narrative that progress is being made, even as fundamental issues remain unresolved. Therefore, I favor Congress's increasing U.S. sanctions against Iran, and adopting other measures aimed at undercutting its nuclear activities, if a credible framework agreement is not in place by the end of this month.

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