Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

Thrilla · Mar 25, 2015

NIMBY said:
I think it's a plot by the GOP hierarchy to make the rest of the field look normal .

I've considered the same thing...using Cruz as "red meat" is a pretty shrewd tactic, but it can work.

Henrin · Mar 25, 2015

Dovkan said:
You're a liar, I'm sorry but you are. Countries around the world with very socialist leanings and policies have just as much freedom as we do, if not more, depending on what you measure. How are they bad? He simply commentates on his idea of an ideal society, due to the way capitalism operates. How is socialism incapable with freedom anyways, giving the means of production to the people? Democratic socialism?

I'm hardly a liar and I have no reason to lie. Marx has influenced a great many people in this world in ways they are not informed enough to realize. He has corrupted the mind of people to the point where they actually think socialism is a some sort of beacon of liberty, when it is in fact a road to servitude and slavery. The western world is not free and socialism has done nothing to award it any freedom.

I honestly want you to think of what it means for the people to own the means of production and ponder exactly how you obtain his idea of an equal society. When you do that I want you to explain to me my choices and abilities in this society and what I must and must not do. Then after you do that bit of thinking over his ideas I want you to revisit capitalism and explore his ideas exploitation in capitalism. Tell me, what if I wanted to associate in some other means? What then?

Henrin · Mar 25, 2015

Btw Dovkan, isn't it funny that a man you think was an economic powerhouse made an argument that innovation was bad because it pushed out technology. Of course, this statement of his people treat as a ground breaking comment and something to hold on a pedestal, but it is actually an argument in opposition to technical and economic advancement. Funny how that works. Not to say it isn't true, but it is one of those captain obvious statements that serves no purpose.

Henrin · Mar 25, 2015

Dovkan said:
At least Obama is progressive on women's rights, gay rights, climate change.. Ted Cruz isn't. Simple.

Who the hell cares? What does progressive on woman's rights even mean anymore anyway?

Henrin · Mar 25, 2015

poweRob said:
Ted's announcement was comedy gold. He goes to LIBERTY University where the students were forced under threat of a fine to attend. But the gold stars go to the kids behind him that were wearing the "I stand with RAND" shirts.

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:lol: All the kids should have shown up with shirts supporting other candidates.

Linc · Mar 25, 2015

Henrin said:
:lol: All the kids should have shown up with shirts supporting other candidates.

How does forcing the students to show up square with being a Libertarian ?

Henrin · Mar 25, 2015

NIMBY said:
How does forcing the students to show up square with being a Libertarian ?

It doesn't. That is why I said all the kids should troll the event.

Amadeus · Mar 25, 2015

You don't have to take government subsides or go on Obamacare in order to follow the law. Just FYI. There are ways to obtain insurance without touching Obamacare.

Juanita · Mar 25, 2015

mbig said:
I can't believe this.
He declared his candidacy yesterday saying he was going to repeal every single word.
It may be mandatory, tho I see no reason he couldn't get private insurance and pay a penalty if required. That would be more consistent with his politics until now.
No, this is not April Fools, this is a real headline.

Ted Cruz going on Obamacare
By Dana Bash and MJ Lee, CNN
Updated 5:54 PM ET, Tue March 24, 2015
Ted Cruz going on Obamacare - CNN.com

[VIDEO interview with Dana Bash]

I love it. I saw the interview.

Dovkan · Mar 25, 2015

Henrin said:
I'm hardly a liar and I have no reason to lie. Marx has influenced a great many people in this world in ways they are not informed enough to realize. He has corrupted the mind of people to the point where they actually think socialism is a some sort of beacon of liberty, when it is in fact a road to servitude and slavery. The western world is not free and socialism has done nothing to award it any freedom.

I honestly want you to think of what it means for the people to own the means of production and ponder exactly how you obtain his idea of an equal society. When you do that I want you to explain to me my choices and abilities in this society and what I must and must not do. Then after you do that bit of thinking over his ideas I want you to revisit capitalism and explore his ideas exploitation in capitalism. Tell me, what if I wanted to associate in some other means? What then?

I'm ok with capitalism, it won't go away, but Marx's literature is revealing, and you must realize I don't want to obtain Marx's idea of an equal society, I enjoy his commentary and contributions to sociology, along with his criticisms of capitalism, which are flawed, yes, but insightful for a man living in the 1800's.

Dovkan · Mar 25, 2015

Henrin said:
Who the hell cares? What does progressive on woman's rights even mean anymore anyway?

Abortion, contraceptives, rape victims.. You appear to not care about gay rights. Hm.

American · Mar 25, 2015

Bob N said:
One thing is for sure. He is going to look pretty ridiculous harping on the Affordable Care Act while being on it. :roll:

No he's not, he's following principle as an elected official by following the law, to the letter. He's not even taking the govt contribution he could take advantage of. Nothing says you can't fight a law you live under. No, you have it way wrong. This actually gives him credibility.

tres borrachos · Mar 25, 2015

American said:
No he's not, he's following principle as an elected official by following the law, to the letter. He's not even taking the govt contribution he could take advantage of. Nothing says you can't fight a law you live under. No, you have it way wrong. This actually gives him credibility.

The partisan responses in this thread are actually no surprise. I'm just amazed at how many left leaners who no doubt supported the ACA have no idea that effective January 1, 2014, all members of Congress were required to switch from their previous insurance (FEHBP), to one of the new exchanges that were created by the law.

This thread is disturbing.

ludin · Mar 25, 2015

mbig said:
No.
You're an Epic Partisan.
I wasn't sure what he was required to do ("it MAY be mandatory") or if he had options, so that IS the way I posted it.
I'm reading now/another site, (only since the OP was posted) since his wife 'unpaid left' GOLDMAN SACHS to campaign with him, he had to do it (?) since he no longer had ins through his spouse.
Still not 100% Sure.
BTW, what's this "Renegades" wife doing at G-S!
Man, isn't that a bit early?

I am basically a centrist and my positions/likes-received/given reflect that.

The headline is just amazing/Well worth a Gasp in any case. The night after he cursed every word of ACA in his candidacy declaration.

LOL I am not partisan at all. The law says that he has to purchase obamacare plan. it is in the bill and I can site it to you.
All members of congress are required to purchase their insurance through the exchange.

His wife is allowed to work wherever she wants to.

Anthony60 · Mar 25, 2015

Dovkan said:
I'm ok with capitalism, it won't go away, but Marx's literature is revealing, and you must realize I don't want to obtain Marx's idea of an equal society, I enjoy his commentary and contributions to sociology, along with his criticisms of capitalism, which are flawed, yes, but insightful for a man living in the 1800's.

I just think by now we would abolish all the communism, socialism, marxism, etc.. just because they end up subjecting people to oppressive dictatorships that have slaughtered millions.

Dovkan · Mar 25, 2015

Anthony60 said:
I just think by now we would abolish all the communism, socialism, marxism, etc.. just because they end up subjecting people to oppressive dictatorships that have slaughtered millions.

I don't agree with communism/Marxism, as they are not plausible, nor well though out in applying concepts to the modern world, but socialism does not cause dictatorships, it's horrible people that cause these things. Hence, why I am a democratic socialist.

Renae · Mar 25, 2015

mbig said:
I can't believe this.
He declared his candidacy yesterday saying he was going to repeal every single word.
It may be mandatory, tho I see no reason he couldn't get private insurance and pay a penalty if required. That would be more consistent with his politics until now.
No, this is not April Fools, this is a real headline.

Ted Cruz going on Obamacare
By Dana Bash and MJ Lee, CNN
Updated 5:54 PM ET, Tue March 24, 2015
Ted Cruz going on Obamacare - CNN.com

[VIDEO interview with Dana Bash]

This is one of those "Low information voter" articles, the LIV's will be stumped by the "hypocrisy" the hacks will try to run with it, the rest will roll theirs eyes at the faux outrage and wonder why people are so easily manipulated by the media.

Dovkan · Mar 25, 2015

MrVicchio said:
This is one of those "Low information voter" articles, the LIV's will be stumped by the "hypocrisy" the hacks will try to run with it, the rest will roll theirs eyes at the faux outrage and wonder why people are so easily manipulated by the media.

Sounds like most of the main stream media.

ludin · Mar 25, 2015

mbig said:
Actually, as I said, I wasn't sure he didn't have Options/it "MAY have been mandatory."
Now I'm reading he Did have other Choices:

Ted Cruz, who once spent 21 hours filibustering Obamacare, may sign up for Obamacare - Vox

So, if the above is correct, and I believe it is, he could have signed up for Cobra quite easily, and unless the campaign goes unexpectedly well, he could Then have tried O'care, or Private.
O'care was just Cheaper I guess.
Is that Not a sell out of principles?

:doh

COBRA is only for people that have quit or lost their job. please show me where Cruz has quit or lost his job?
it even says that in the article. now if his wife has left goldman sachs then yes she would qualify for cobra on her existing healthcare plan.

you have no idea what you are talking about or just want to ignore facts.

Congress and an Exemption from ‘Obamacare’?

he has to and must purchase a plan on the exchange according to the ACA. it was passed by congress and approved by Obama himself.

so please explain how it is a sell out on principles to do what the law says you must do.

Renae · Mar 25, 2015

Dovkan said:
A prominent German intellectual who contributed great ideas was a bum. You obviously know all about Karl Marx.

Marx was a boil on human history and the misery that fool's ideas have wrought, are a dark stain on Humanity and a mark of lesser intelligence on those that still look to him for ideas.

JayDubya · Mar 25, 2015

Henrin said:
What does progressive on woman's rights even mean anymore anyway?

Eliminating the concept would be progress. There should be no rights predicated on one's gender; just simple gender equity.

Obama is all about genderbaiting identity politics bull****, special privileges for women to kill their own kids, and everyone being forced to pay for birth control pills for individuals who want them to personally consume. This barbarism is hardly progress, it is regression.

Dovkan · Mar 25, 2015

MrVicchio said:
Marx was a boil on human history and the misery that fools ideas have wrought are a dark stain on Humanity and a mark of lesser intelligence on those that still look to him for ideas.

I've come to expect this, and I disagree with this premise of calling Marx a fool, has he himself did not like what men like Stalin and the french revolutionaries were taking his ideas as, as he himself would never consider himself a "marxist" as it was being used. I look to him as a philosopher, his contributions to sociology, as an economist and his contributions of relating labor and its relation to capital, along with various other contributions to economic thought. Let's not forget he was also a revolutionary socialist who relayed prevalent ideas for living in the 1800's, heck, many consider him one of the architects of modern social science, and his ideas are influential on labor unions, political parties, and socialist thought.

j-mac · Mar 25, 2015

sangha said:
No, you don't

No, he is not.

Cruz is being criticized for buying through an exchange even though the law does not require him to do so. He can buy a plan on his own directly from an insurer.

Oh, so he shouldn't use the exchange. Why? Because he wants to replace it? That's just silly if you ask me.

Dovkan · Mar 25, 2015

JayDubya said:
Eliminating the concept would be progress. There should be no rights predicated on one's gender; just simple gender equity.

Obama is all about genderbaiting identity politics bull****, special privileges for women to kill their own kids, and everyone being forced to pay for birth control pills for individuals who want them to personally consume. This barbarism is hardly progress, it is regression.

"Women's rights" in this case refers to a women's right to get an abortion, easy access to birth control..

JayDubya · Mar 25, 2015

Dovkan said:
"Women's rights" in this case refers to a women's right to get an abortion, easy access to birth control..

No such right exists to kill your own kid. As I said, not progress, but regression to barbarism.

And when you say "access" like most of your ilk you mean to make us all buy **** for someone else, which is also unconscionable. The consumer of such a product should be the one who buys the product.

Again, this is just a tyrannical central authority taking from the peasantry what they want and dispensing it per their whim... regression to the governmental failures of the past and further descent into barbarism.

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