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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The way he handled her questioning reminded of Romney. He didn't want to answer the question and kept trying to talk his way out of answering the question, which made him look like a total jackass as the interview went on. The whole thing makes him look like a typical, slime ball politician. I can't stand the guy.
    There is no question needing an answer. If you need health insurance, ACA is the only game in town. ACA has eliminated all options other than ACA approved policies (be they created by your employer or bought through an exchange or directly from an insurer). When the state eliminates all options other than their options, you either go without insurance for your wife and kids or you make the best of a crappy program.

    But, I guess, he looks 'bad' because he played by the rules and didn't sacrifice his family to avoid the jeering of of those who made the rules.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I sleep fine.. i actually know the meaning of the words "mandate" and "force"... though i can understand why an authoritarian socialist would be hesitant to talk bad about govt. force.
    I'm a democratic socialist, how am I authoritarian? The mandate still doesn't make you get the plan, heck, tons are exempt, read the article I've sent you, also, the fine is not forcing anyone, I wouldn't be so concerned if words like this didn't cause mass hysteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Just showing how successful these socialist minded policies are.
    they are social policies, not socialist policies.... they are not synonyms.

    all brought to people through capitalism... every bit of it.... so us capitalists thank you for supporting the greatest economic system the earth has ever seen

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    What is it about ordinary English that eludes you? "Force" is used in several different senses (Merriam-Webster):

    Examples of FORCE

    They forced us to work long hours without pay.

    The flooding forced hundreds of residents to flee their homes.

    After seeing the evidence, I was forced to admit my error.

    I am forced to conclude that more funding will be necessary.

    The scandal forced his resignation.

    Lack of time may eventually force a compromise.

    They are trying to force a vote on this issue.


    Synonyms include: force, compel, coerce, constrain, oblige which means to make someone or something yield. Force is the general term and implies the overcoming of resistance by the exertion of strength, power, or duress. And yes, Obamacare is enforced by coercion (actual or threatened pressure through a major fine), constraints (the effect of a circumstance and law that limits freedom of action), and obligation (to follow the law).

    Next time you read a dictionary or thesaurus, I suggest you take off your blinkers. The words "force" and "forced" have several meanings and usages, including those used in this discussion.

    Ssssshheeeesh.
    Ok, I agree, but the way it is being used causes paranoia, and read up on the number of people getting exemptions, and the fines that scale based on income, no where are you forced to get on it, you may have to pay a fine, but that's completely different from forcing as it is used in its primary sense.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    they are social policies, not socialist policies.... they are not synonyms.

    all brought to people through capitalism... every bit of it.... so us capitalists thank you for supporting the greatest economic system the earth has ever seen
    Really? Universal healthcare is government run healthcare that benefits everyone that is not privatized, that seems "socialist" to me. I agree capitalism brings forth these programs, as there has never been good bearing for true socialism to rise up in a well developed country, so I accept that capitalism exists, and contributes. I've already said this.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that would be nice for the cameras, but in reality , it's an idea that would cost Cruz about 25-30,000 bucks a year.... as opposed to following the law and spending about $2,400.

    it's a no- brainer.... even for a dude who I suspect of having no brain.
    He is a graduate of Princeton and Harvard (juris Doctor), honors in both, chief editor of the Harvard Law Review. USA National Debate and Speech Champion. Law Clerk for the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court. Entered a race for US Senate at 3% in the polls and won.

    You may intensely disagree with him, but I suspect he is vastly more intelligent than you and I. You could tell us YOUR educational and professional resume to prove my suspicious inaccurate.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I'm a democratic socialist, how am I authoritarian? The mandate still doesn't make you get the plan, heck, tons are exempt, read the article I've sent you, also, the fine is not forcing anyone, I wouldn't be so concerned if words like this didn't cause mass hysteria.
    the only one hysterical here is you... and I don't really care what the forbes article says.
    it's an individual mandate, not an individual suggestion... the mandate is an official order, sanctioned and enforced by the federal government... end of story.

    authoritarianism is inherent to the collectivists ideologies...well, that's pertaining to practical application, not the Utopian bull**** rhetoric collectivists use to sell their snake oil.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the only one hysterical here is you... and I don't really care what the forbes article says.
    it's an individual mandate, not an individual suggestion... the mandate is an official order, sanctioned and enforced by the federal government... end of story.

    authoritarianism is inherent to the collectivists ideologies...well, that's pertaining to practical application, not the Utopian bull**** rhetoric collectivists use to sell their snake oil.
    It still doesn't force you to get the plan, you can get exemptions or pay a fine, that is not relevant to forcing someone to get the plan. and I'm talking about the definition being used by those who rally and say it's forcing them in the context of what people attribute forcing to, not the other meanings. I won't even bother addressing the other points, want me to talk about the rhetoric of capitalism by citing one of my inspirational figures? You claim what I believe is snake oil, I can say the same for your rampant support of capitalism as the best system. We will both never agree, that is obvious, but let's not resort to such nonsense.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    He is a graduate of Princeton and Harvard (juris Doctor), honors in both, chief editor of the Harvard Law Review. USA National Debate and Speech Champion. Law Clerk for the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court. Entered a race for US Senate at 3% in the polls and won.

    You may intensely disagree with him, but I suspect he is vastly more intelligent than you and I. You could tell us YOUR educational and professional resume to prove my suspicious inaccurate.
    he's highly educated in his filed, that much i'll certainly give him... but he's a political idiot who marginalizes himself with his rhetoric and "take no prisoners" attitude.
    I expect such things from activists, talking heads, and blowhards...not from elected officials who should be acting like adults with a job to perform.

    as for resume, we are in different worlds ( private sector versus public sector)... I'm nothing in his world, and he's nothing in mine.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It still doesn't force you to get the plan, you can get exemptions or pay a fine, that is not relevant to forcing someone to get the plan. and I'm talking about the definition being used by those who rally and say it's forcing them in the context of what people attribute forcing to, not the other meanings. I won't even bother addressing the other points, want me to talk about the rhetoric of capitalism by citing one of my inspirational figures? You claim what I believe is snake oil, I can say the same for your rampant support of capitalism as the best system. We will both never agree, that is obvious, but let's not resort to such nonsense.
    i've given my definitions already.. .they are supported by the dictionary.
    be wary of ruling out a term based on a single definition that does not apply.... as words have more than one definition, others may indeed apply( as is the case with the term "force")

    when there is an official government order with or without a penalty... there is force... end of story.

    and no, it's not rhetoric or snake oil to claim capitalism is the best economic system the earth has ever seen.. it's objective fact.
    Socialism cannot offer the potential capitalism actually lives up to... it's an inherently constrained system resulting in mediocrity at best.

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