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    The way he handled her questioning reminded of Romney. He didn't want to answer the question and kept trying to talk his way out of answering the question, which made him look like a total jackass as the interview went on. The whole thing makes him look like a typical, slime ball politician. I can't stand the guy.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    We're "coerced" and "pressured", ok. Coerce: persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats. - Don't see the threats or the force.
    Pressure: attempt to persuade or coerce (someone) into doing something.
    We're "coerced" to pay off credit card debt...
    What is it about ordinary English that eludes you? "Force" is used in several different senses (Merriam-Webster):

    Examples of FORCE

    They forced us to work long hours without pay.

    The flooding forced hundreds of residents to flee their homes.

    After seeing the evidence, I was forced to admit my error.

    I am forced to conclude that more funding will be necessary.

    The scandal forced his resignation.

    Lack of time may eventually force a compromise.

    They are trying to force a vote on this issue.


    Synonyms include: force, compel, coerce, constrain, oblige which means to make someone or something yield. Force is the general term and implies the overcoming of resistance by the exertion of strength, power, or duress. And yes, Obamacare is enforced by coercion (actual or threatened pressure through a major fine), constraints (the effect of a circumstance and law that limits freedom of action), and obligation (to follow the law).

    Next time you read a dictionary or thesaurus, I suggest you take off your blinkers. The words "force" and "forced" have several meanings and usages, including those used in this discussion.

    Ssssshheeeesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Look at all of the other "socialist" minded countries instead of cherry picking. Giving two countries as support is absurd, might aswell say capitalism doesn't work due to the great depression.
    Im pretty sure I listed more than two Countries.

    If your'e trying to say the Danes are a example of a working Socialist template than YOU'RE the one being selective

    They have ALWAYS incentivized the creation of wealth and profit. Those are two concepts that don't fit into central planning.

    Chavez rose to power under the pretense that he would give the wealth of the Country " back to the people."

    But without the free market principles that efficiently allocate goods and services his Socialist utopia turned into a nightmare.

    Government intervention corrupts and undermines the core principles of the Free market and then people like you point to the destruction as a example of Capitalisms failure

    In the 90s the Democrats manufactured the false narrative of " discriminatory lending practices " and implemented new Regulations to force Banks to offer " equal credit ".

    Ten Federal agencies ( Fair lending Task Force) were tasked with hunting down Banks who wouldn't or didn't comply with their arbitrary new standards. Banks were sued by the DOJ, by HUD and by Community activist groups like ACORN and Plaintiffs Attorney's like Barrack Obama.

    The Democrats decided that the decades old lending standards were innately racist and through threats , DOJ lawsuits and executive actions they forced lenders to lower those standards.

    In 1995, Bill Clinton co-opted the GSEs into the Subprime market by giving them " affordable lending " quotas that started out at 46 percent.

    That meant Freddie and Fannie had to purchase 1 subprime loan for every prime loan they purchased. These loans were then bundled and sold off as Securities with a " AAA " rating.

    In 1993 Homeowner-ship rates were 63 percent and by 2000 they rose to 68 percent. A unprecedented 5 percent increase in Homeowner-ship rates.

    From 2000- 2008 they rose another 1 percent.

    In 2008 the GSEs were declared insolvent holding over 5 Trillion dollars in debt.

    Progressives like to point to the 2008 Subprime mortgage crisis as a example of the dangers of " Capitalism ".

    The 2008 Financial crisis wasn't the fault of Capitalism or the Free market. It was caused by unprecedented Government intervention into the private sector and it was all predicated on a Lie.

    That the Government would or could be a fair and unbiased arbiter of what was " fair " and undermining the principles of our free market economy would lead to a positive result.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Alright, time to start making comparisons with countries that have socialist minded policies, feel free to research on your own. These are just some random grabs. These countries are also great for small businesses.
    Which is a better place to live: Germany or USA? - Quora
    Interesting facts about Finland - Finland Guide - Eupedia
    Norway Tops Nations in Quality of Life : Discovery News : Discovery News
    20 best countries for startups - 10. Norway (10) - Small Business
    OECD Better Life Index
    OECD Better Life Index
    Scandinavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Read about others and there economies if you truly care.
    I'm not new to any of this, nor am I a kid... you're not bringing me anything i haven't see nor read before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Just showing that socialist policies are very successful and work when done properly.
    social programs=/= socialism.

    all those countries you are going bananas over are capitalist countries... period.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    What is it about ordinary English that eludes you? "Force" is used in several senses:

    Examples of FORCE

    They forced us to work long hours without pay.

    The flooding forced hundreds of residents to flee their homes.

    After seeing the evidence, I was forced to admit my error.

    I am forced to conclude that more funding will be necessary.

    The scandal forced his resignation.

    Lack of time may eventually force a compromise.

    They are trying to force a vote on this issue.


    Synonyms of force include: compel, coerce, constrain, oblige which means to make someone or something yield. Force is the general term and implies the overcoming of resistance by the exertion of strength, power, or duress. And yes, Obamacare is enforced by coercion (actual or threatened pressure through a major fine), constraints (the effect of a circumstance and law that limits freedom of action), and obligation (to follow the law).

    Next time you read a dictionary or thesaurus, I suggest you take off your blinkers. The words "force" and "forced" have several meanings and usages, including those used in this discussion.

    Ssssshheeeesh.
    I understand this, and accept it, but it seems like the hysteria surrounding this uses the meaning we all infer, again, I refer to being "coerced" to pay taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    social programs=/= socialism.

    all those countries you are going bananas over are capitalist countries... period.
    I already state that I accept a modern, fully socialist state will not occur for some time that is in a well developed country. The programs are aligned to socialist ideas, capitalism there isn't always a bad thing, I accept the current system, they do it better, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I'm not new to any of this, nor am I a kid... you're not bringing me anything i haven't see nor read before.
    Just showing how successful these socialist minded policies are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Continue to think that you're forced if it helps you sleep at night.
    The Obamacare Mandate Isn't Forcing People To Buy Health Insurance After All - Forbes
    I sleep fine.. i actually know the meaning of the words "mandate" and "force"... though i can understand why an authoritarian socialist would be hesitant to talk bad about govt. force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Im pretty sure I listed more than two Countries.

    If your'e trying to say the Danes are a example of a working Socialist template than YOU'RE the one being selective

    They have ALWAYS incentivized the creation of wealth and profit. Those are two concepts that don't fit into central planning.

    Chavez rose to power under the pretense that he would give the wealth of the Country " back to the people."

    But without the free market principles that efficiently allocate goods and services his Socialist utopia turned into a nightmare.

    Government intervention corrupts and undermines the core principles of the Free market and then people like you point to the destruction as a example of Capitalisms failure

    In the 90s the Democrats manufactured the false narrative of " discriminatory lending practices " and implemented new Regulations to force Banks to offer " equal credit ".

    Ten Federal agencies ( Fair lending Task Force) were tasked with hunting down Banks who wouldn't or didn't comply with their arbitrary new standards. Banks were sued by the DOJ, by HUD and by Community activist groups like ACORN and Plaintiffs Attorney's like Barrack Obama.

    The Democrats decided that the decades old lending standards were innately racist and through threats , DOJ lawsuits and executive actions they forced lenders to lower those standards.

    In 1995, Bill Clinton co-opted the GSEs into the Subprime market by giving them " affordable lending " quotas that started out at 46 percent.

    That meant Freddie and Fannie had to purchase 1 subprime loan for every prime loan they purchased. These loans were then bundled and sold off as Securities with a " AAA " rating.

    In 1993 Homeowner-ship rates were 63 percent and by 2000 they rose to 68 percent. A unprecedented 5 percent increase in Homeowner-ship rates.

    From 2000- 2008 they rose another 1 percent.

    In 2008 the GSEs were declared insolvent holding over 5 Trillion dollars in debt.

    Progressives like to point to the 2008 Subprime mortgage crisis as a example of the dangers of " Capitalism ".

    The 2008 Financial crisis wasn't the fault of Capitalism or the Free market. It was caused by unprecedented Government intervention into the private sector and it was all predicated on a Lie.

    That the Government would or could be a fair and unbiased arbiter of what was " fair " and undermining the principles of our free market economy would lead to a positive result.
    Way more then the danes who have socialist minded policies, Germany, canada, denmark, finland, netherlands, ireland, new zealand, belgium, england, costa rica, heck, most of europe has socialist minded policies. Oh yes, because the free market was doing fantastic for everyone before any regulation.

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