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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    No, it's not, because it makes more sense when you realize he doesn't have to get on obamacare, and citizens aren't forced to either.
    yeah, you're right.. that what it's called the "individual suggestion" and not the "individual mandate"... and no one get penalizes for going against the "suggestion"

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    They can get exemptions, and it's hilarious, NO ONE IS FORCED, they still have a choice.
    just like people have a choice whether to commit murder or not.... amirite?

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    COBRA is up to 3 years. Obviously there are conditions, etc. But it's usually 18-36 months.

    IIRC Cruz himself said that he is now signing up for ACA, which means before when he was under his wife's plan he wasn't in ACA. So to stay out of ACA all he had to do was stay in her policy via COBRA. The political benefit would have been huge for him.

    He's a smart guy, and I'm sure he has smart people around him. He had other options besides ACA, I have no idea why he went into ACA.
    Yes he's been on her Goldman Sachs insurance through the years. I suspect GS has killer insurance, especially for Managing Directors.

    Sure, it could have been a political benefit for him if he publicly said "I now need to use my government benefits because my wife is taking a leave of absence. But my fellow lawmakers changed the rules and to gain political points, and made it so that I have to use one of the ACA Exchanges to get my insurance. Because I oppose the ACA, I won't do that, so instead I'll use my wife's COBRA coverage for now." Or would it? Who would have said "Ted Cruz is a GREAT guy for doing that" but the people who oppose the ACA as well and probably considered him a viable candidate to begin with?

    The biggest outrage I see about what he's doing is coming from the left, and I don't see them applauding him for making a move like that. He wouldn't really gain anything.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yeah, you're right.. that what it's called the "individual suggestion" and not the "individual mandate"... and no one get penalizes for going against the "suggestion"
    Oh Thrilla, you're so pre-Obama. These days all federal law is advisory, don'tcha know?

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yeah, you're right.. that what it's called the "individual suggestion" and not the "individual mandate"... and no one get penalizes for going against the "suggestion"
    Still not forcing anyone, and the murder example has absolutely no context, it's an absurd deflection.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Sounds like fear mongering to me, but I'd like to address one point. LOOK AT EUROPE.
    As a example of failed Socialist experiments ? Yes, look at Europe.

    Greece, Spain, Italy, France.

    More to the point, look at Socialist Argentina and Venezuela.

    In the 90s Hugo Chavez started to Nationalize all of Venezuelas wealth creation under the pretense of " equality " and " fairness ".

    The same old clap trap every Socialist agenda is based on. Unfortunately Venezuelans were naive enough to be duped into believing that its the Governments responsibility to be the arbiter of whats " fair " and equitable ".

    Production in every sector of the Venezuelan economy started to drop off, due to the inherent inefficiencies and corruption of central planning. As productivity fell so did revenues and with a increasing entitlement class Venezuela started to borrow to make up for budget shortfalls.

    Now, they're being sued by their creditors that were stiffed by a Socialist Government, basic supplies are few and far between and Venezuela has the Highest inflation rates in the world because no one in their right mind will lend them a dime anymore amd they've started printing.

    Its the typical Socialist horror story. Naive citizens believe central planning can solve their problems and in the end their lives are made worse exponentially.

    Greece corrupted European banks and threatened the existence of a Union they lied to get into to by increasing their public sector at the expense of their private sector.

    They borrowed and distributed worthless bonds throughout Europe and in the end, they tried to shake down the only Country that legitimately tried to help them. They accused Germany of War crimes in a disgusting attempt to bail on their promises.

    Socialist seem to be inherently dishonest individuals and Socialism continues to cause destruction and poverty and want.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    As a example of failed Socialist experiments ? Yes, look at Europe.

    Greece, Spain, Italy, France.

    More to the point, look at Socialist Argentina and Venezuela.

    In the 90s Hugo Chavez started to Nationalize all of Venezuelas wealth creation under the pretense of " equality " and " fairness ".

    The same old clap trap every Socialist agenda is based on. Unfortunately Venezuelans were naive enough to be duped into believing that its the Governments responsibility to be the arbiter of whats " fair " and equitable ".

    Production in every sector of the Venezuelan economy started to drop off, due to the inherent inefficiencies and corruption of central planning. As productivity fell so did revenues and with a increasiincreaseing entitlement class Venezuela started to borrow to make up for budget shortfalls.

    Now, they're being sued by their creditors that were stiffed by a Socialist Government, basic supplies are few and far between and Venezuela has the Highest inflation rates in the world due to currency printing because no one in their right mind will lend them a dime anymore.

    Its the typical Socialist horror story. Naive citizens believe central planning can solve their problems and in the end their lives are made worse exponentially.

    Greece corrupted European banks and threatened the existence of a Union they lied to get into to by increasing their public sector at the expense of their private sector.

    They borrowed and distributed worthless bonds throughout Europe and in the end, they tried to shake down the only Country that legitimately tried to help them. They accused Germany of War crimes in a disgusting attempt to bail on their promises.

    Socialist seem to be inherently dishonest individuals.
    Look at all of the other "socialist" minded countries instead of cherry picking. Giving two countries as support is absurd, might aswell say capitalism doesn't work due to the great depression.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Still not forcing anyone, and the murder example has absolutely no context, it's an absurd deflection.
    synonyms for "force" include : coercion, compulsion, pressure, stress, subjection.

    pick one you don't get butthurt over..... they all apply.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    synonyms for "force" include : coercion, compulsion, pressure, stress, subjection.

    pick one you don't get butthurt over..... they all apply.
    We're "coerced" and "pressured", ok. Coerce: persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats. - Don't see the threats or the force.
    Pressure: attempt to persuade or coerce (someone) into doing something.
    We're "coerced" to pay off credit card debt...

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Look at all of the other "socialist" minded countries instead of cherry picking. Giving two countries as support is absurd, might aswell say capitalism doesn't work due to the great depression.
    socialist minded countries?... oh you mean those countries that rely on directly capitalism and capitalist markets to support their social welfare programs.

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