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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Because I've never dealt with cobra, how long would it lasts? I see some saying 36 months, other 18. Also, is he elligible since his wife was not terminated, but quit, her job?

    As to the private plans, yes,..those are still impacted by the ACC. Whether it's a private plan or state exchange, Cruz is still being "impacted" and "effected" and given "benefits" of the ACA. If the mere notion of gaining a benefit compared to no insurance from ACA somehow makes him a hypocrite, than thst applies to him purchasing a private plan as well
    COBRA is up to 3 years. Obviously there are conditions, etc. But it's usually 18-36 months.

    IIRC Cruz himself said that he is now signing up for ACA, which means before when he was under his wife's plan he wasn't in ACA. So to stay out of ACA all he had to do was stay in her policy via COBRA. The political benefit would have been huge for him.

    He's a smart guy, and I'm sure he has smart people around him. He had other options besides ACA, I have no idea why he went into ACA.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    COBRA is up to 3 years. Obviously there are conditions, etc. But it's usually 18-36 months.

    IIRC Cruz himself said that he is now signing up for ACA, which means before when he was under his wife's plan he wasn't in ACA. So to stay out of ACA all he had to do was stay in her policy via COBRA. The political benefit would have been huge for him.

    He's a smart guy, and I'm sure he has smart people around him. He had other options besides ACA, I have no idea why he went into ACA.
    We'll see, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's to point out all the horrors of a "government plan." He's coming off a solid gold plan at GS (I read an unconfirmed account that it costs about $50,000/year), so I imagine his coverage will drop significantly, and if it does, we'll hear about it, and if it doesn't then no harm done. But I'm skeptical and don't think much of Cruz, so admittedly biased.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    a mandate is an official order.... in this particular case, given by the federal government.

    force includes coercion or compulsion.... coercion and compulsion are part and parcel of the individual mandate.

    sorry man, your position is untenable.... rethink it.
    No, it's not, because it makes more sense when you realize he doesn't have to get on obamacare, and citizens aren't forced to either.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    No, it's not, because it makes more sense when you realize he doesn't have to get on obamacare, and citizens aren't forced to either.
    People have been forced to buy healthcare or pay a fine. That's a fact.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    People have been forced to buy healthcare or pay a fine. That's a fact.
    True, and there is a right to freeload, so the mandate is an impermissible infringement on our freedom and liberty!!

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    True, and there is a right to freeload, so the mandate is an impermissible infringement on our freedom and liberty!!
    You have a right to decide if you will buy a good or service or not. If you decide to never buy insurance that is your right and I have no more right than anyone else to force you to buy it.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You have a right to decide if you will buy a good or service or not. If you decide to never buy insurance that is your right and I have no more right than anyone else to force you to buy it.
    We can do this argument a number of ways, but speaking of "rights" is fine. But first of all, the relevant market isn't the "insurance" market but the health care market, and no one really CAN irrevocably opt out of the healthcare market.

    Second, the problem is the violation of "rights" begins with the uninsured person. Whether he wants to or not, he simply does impose an obligation on the rest of us to treat him if he gets very sick or in a bad accident, and we haven't agreed to assume his burden, and aren't compensated for assuming this catastrophic healthcare risk on his behalf. The mandate is just a partial effort to impose a cost to that burden/violation of our rights.

    In other words, the uninsured person is forcing us to treat his catastrophic injuries, and we should be compensated for that burden.

    It would be fine if those complaining about the mandate being a violation of "rights" proposed to make medical care a "no money no care" proposition - repeal laws that require ED's/ER's to treat all comers without regard to pay. OK, make one contingent on the other - allow any provider to deny treatment to anyone without money and in the same piece of legislation, repeal the mandate. But if that's not done, the mandate just puts a price on freeloading.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    People have been forced to buy healthcare or pay a fine. That's a fact.
    They can get exemptions, and it's hilarious, NO ONE IS FORCED, they still have a choice.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    They can get exemptions, and it's hilarious, NO ONE IS FORCED, they still have a choice.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Paranoia and fear mongering.

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