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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    60% of all personal bankruptcies are caused by medical expenses. We have a huge health insurance/health care problem in this country. ACA is not the answer, but what we had before ACA wasn't working either. Hospital rooms around here are $5,000 a night. WTF? Simple procedures are $50,000. What middle class family can afford that?

    I'm not smart enough to know the answers. But I do know something needs to be done. If you're poor and have nothing with or without ACA you will get treatment and lose nothing. If you're rich obviously you can afford treatment. If you're middle class you're get treatment but if you don't have insurance you will lose everything. There's something seriously wrong with that.
    Actually, medical expenses are a contributing factor of 60% of all bankruptcies, not the primary reason, and they are as low as $1000. Elizabeth Warren's famous "analysis" was well received by the left, dismissed by the right, and the smart people in the middle actually looked at it.

    Most people in this country had/have insurance through their employers. As you correctly said, the poor people were taken care of. I remember seeing a recent census that showed something like 35% of those counted in the uninsured category made over $50,000 a year. Those people go to Disneyworld, and have cell phones and cable TV and computers....my priorities before my husband & I started to finally do well financially were mortgage, insurance, and savings. Maybe people needed to reassess their priorities.

    Medical costs are WAY too high and have been for decades. That isn't something anyone with a functioning brain would debate. But the ACA is not going to fix that. Yes, it enabled people who couldn't buy private insurance on the market because of pre-existing conditions a chance to get insurance, no question about that. The ACA isn't a total disaster. But for the majority of Americans, it isn't going to help at all. It hardly makes "healthcare affordable" for the rest of us.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I have a different take--I voted against Nixon, Carter twice, Reagan the 2nd time.
    For Clinton twice--against Bush-43 twice and for Obama twice.
    I have voted in the GOP primaries since 1972.

    Was heartbroken to lose Gov. Ogilvie in 1972 when I was 18 to future jailbird DEM Walker--not from what he did as governor--though he should have been.
    Since he signed the law to shortchange our public pensions that Ogilvie wouldn't sign.
    And Ogilvie signed the law giving me my full tuition since I was in as field with a critical shortage--Chem/Physics/Math.

    Ogilvie and my Sen. Percy were the ultimate RINOs, which is why I will never vote for another GOP as President.
    Though I like Kasich the best--then Bus--notice both were invited to the Adelson summit .
    Morning Nimby, you've been voting a little longer than I have. Interesting POTUS voting history you have.

    I'm not familiar with Ogilvie so I had to look him up. Sounds like he was a good guy. Died young too.

    I like Kasich a lot. I wish he'd express an interest in the nomination. I'd consider him in the GOP primary here.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Actually, medical expenses are a contributing factor of 60% of all bankruptcies, not the primary reason, and they are as low as $1000. Elizabeth Warren's famous "analysis" was well received by the left, dismissed by the right, and the smart people in the middle actually looked at it.

    Most people in this country had/have insurance through their employers. As you correctly said, the poor people were taken care of. I remember seeing a recent census that showed something like 35% of those counted in the uninsured category made over $50,000 a year. Those people go to Disneyworld, and have cell phones and cable TV and computers....my priorities before my husband & I started to finally do well financially were mortgage, insurance, and savings. Maybe people needed to reassess their priorities.

    Medical costs are WAY too high and have been for decades. That isn't something anyone with a functioning brain would debate. But the ACA is not going to fix that. Yes, it enabled people who couldn't buy private insurance on the market because of pre-existing conditions a chance to get insurance, no question about that. The ACA isn't a total disaster. But for the majority of Americans, it isn't going to help at all. It hardly makes "healthcare affordable" for the rest of us.
    It was never meant to be for the 'majority of Americans'. Just for people who don't have HI. But you're right something needs to be done so HI can be affordable for everyone.

    ACA isn't perfect, far from it. I would have a ton more respect for the GOP if instead of trying to kill it they would say it's not perfect, so lets work together on a system that everyone can afford. I'm sure they have a functioning brain and realize costs are too high. But for political reasons they won't work to fix it because they are using ACA as a political tool to keep their base inline and screaming 'socialism'.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    It was never meant to be for the 'majority of Americans'. Just for people who don't have HI. But you're right something needs to be done so HI can be affordable for everyone.

    ACA isn't perfect, far from it. I would have a ton more respect for the GOP if instead of trying to kill it they would say it's not perfect, so lets work together on a system that everyone can afford. I'm sure they have a functioning brain and realize costs are too high. But for political reasons they won't work to fix it because they are using ACA as a political tool to keep their base inline and screaming 'socialism'.
    Good morning, I apologize for yesterday. I know what it's like to see a blanket insult on this board and take it personally. It happens to me all the time.

    That's my problem too - it was never meant for the majority of Americans. That's why the Republicans should just shut up, leave it as the entitlement program it is, and then put together something that actually does start to manage costs. But in their usual way, the partisans on both sides down in DC can't come up with a cohesive plan or adjustment to the ACA that are meaningful.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Good morning, I apologize for yesterday. I know what it's like to see a blanket insult on this board and take it personally. It happens to me all the time.

    That's my problem too - it was never meant for the majority of Americans. That's why the Republicans should just shut up, leave it as the entitlement program it is, and then put together something that actually does start to manage costs. But in their usual way, the partisans on both sides down in DC can't come up with a cohesive plan or adjustment to the ACA that are meaningful.
    Good morning. And no problem.

    What pisses me off is even before ACA what we had socialism. Someone goes to the ER without HI, and can't pay, so who pays for them? The tax payers and the people with HI, thats who. So they need to put something in place so everyone is covered. Yes, that is socialism, but that's what we got now anyway. The difference is what we have now is a complete, helter skelter mess. The person w/o HI gets a heart procedure and is charged $20,000. The person with HI for the same procedure is charged $50,000. They need to put something in place that manages costs fairly. And that should stabilize costs, maybe.
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    I feel like some green eggs and ham this morning, just to kick things off.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Good morning. And no problem.

    What pisses me off is even before ACA what we had socialism. Someone goes to the ER without HI, and can't pay, so who pays for them? The tax payers and the people with HI, thats who. So they need to put something in place so everyone is covered. Yes, that is socialism, but that's what we got now anyway. The difference is what we have now is a complete, helter skelter mess. The person w/o HI gets a heart procedure and is charged $20,000. The person with HI for the same procedure is charged $50,000. They need to put something in place that manages costs fairly. And that should stabilize costs, maybe.
    I couldn't agree more.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    The 'punishment' is minimal and has exemptions.
    "minimal" is relative.... but it's still a punishment for not living up to what you government had ordered you to do.

    equivocate all you like, but there's no getting around the basic fact that your federal government has ordered you to purchase a commercial product.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    When Democrats say that taxes are too low, do any of our liberal friends start threads about them when they pay their taxes according to the current tax law?

    When Democrats say the "tax loopholes" have to be closed, do any of our liberal friends call them hypocrites for using those "loopholes" when they file and pay their taxes?

    When Obama tells us we have to change our lifestyles to reverse global warning and save the planet, our liberal friends make excuses for him when he and his wife take separate planes to travel to the same destination on the same day.



    It's nothing but faux outrage when those same liberals claim hypocrisy when Cruz follows a law that he doesn't like

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    "minimal" is relative.... but it's still a punishment for not living up to what you government had ordered you to do.

    equivocate all you like, but there's no getting around the basic fact that your federal government has ordered you to purchase a commercial product.
    No one is being ordered to do anything, that is like saying the government is forcing us to follow the speed limit, or something as preposterous as that.

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