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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It's a graph showing the "causation" you're looking for which you probably "glanced" over.
    It shows correlation, not causation. Learn the difference.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It shows correlation, not causation. Learn the difference.
    Causation: the relationship between cause and effect
    The studies show the effect of putting in welfare programs in many countries, saying "its not the welfare programs at all, obviously something else.. no connection, digging a deeper hole" is something else

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I am reading it, it seems pretty absurd that your sister doesn't get healthcare. It's also not forcing anyone to do anything.
    I can't answer for her or why she makes the decisions she does nor is it important for this discussion.
    Last edited by Henrin; 03-26-15 at 12:37 AM.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Causation: the relationship between cause and effect
    The studies show the effect of putting in welfare programs in many countries, saying "its not the welfare programs at all, obviously something else.. no connection, digging a deeper hole" is something else
    No, it doesn't. It shows poverty rates from before and after welfare. The data alone proves no connection between the two.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, it doesn't. It shows poverty rates from before and after welfare. The data alone proves no connection between the two.
    The cause: Introducing welfare
    The effect: Reduced poverty in countries implementing it.
    Seems like an easy connection to make.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    The cause: Introducing welfare
    The effect: Reduced poverty in countries implementing it.
    Seems like an easy connection to make.
    You have to show that the one caused the other. That would detail doing more than just looking at poverty rates.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You have to show that the one caused the other. That would detail doing more than just looking at poverty rates.
    "Two studies compare countries internationally before and after implementing social welfare programs. Using data from the Luxembourg Income Study, Bradley et al. and Lane Kenworthy measure the poverty rates both in relative terms (poverty defined by the respective governments) and absolute terms, (poverty defined by 40% of US median income) respectively. Kenworthy's study also adjusts for economic performance and shows that the economy made no significant difference in uplifting people out of poverty.

    The studies look at the different countries from 1960 to 1991 (Kenworthy) and from 1970 to 1997 (Bradley et al.). Both these periods are roughly when major welfare programs where implemented such as the War on Poverty in the United States. The results of both studies show that poverty has been significantly reduced during the periods where major welfare programs were created."

    How is this not showing one caused the other? Is the OECD wrong on there studies of all countries with welfare programs? Ok, how about this, show me how the "unregulated free market" helps the poor.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So the $1,700 fine my sister got THIS year for not buying insurance didn't happen.

    Sure, I will tell her to ignore the almost $2,000 dollar fine.
    the penalty for 2014 was 1% of income above the filing threshold (which is about $10k for a single person) so your sister would have to be making at least $180K to pay a $1700 penalty
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    But then his next sentence was he still wants ACA repealed. So IMO then he needed to go another route. There were other options.
    If the ACA is repealed, do you think the members of Congress will say "Okay, no more employer insurance from us"? Or do you think that they will go right back on the same plans they had in the first place?

    In other words, he wants to repeal the ACA because he believes (as I do) that it's a junk law. If the government wanted to contain healthcare costs for everyone, this wasn't the law to do it. The ACA for the most part is nothing but a very large entitlement. The ACA also stretches far and above the movement of government employees' plans from where they were to Exchanges. That policy didn't even take effect until 5 years after the bill was signed into law.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If the ACA is repealed, do you think the members of Congress will say "Okay, no more employer insurance from us"? Or do you think that they will go right back on the same plans they had in the first place?

    In other words, he wants to repeal the ACA because he believes (as I do) that it's a junk law. If the government wanted to contain healthcare costs for everyone, this wasn't the law to do it. The ACA for the most part is nothing but a very large entitlement. The ACA also stretches far and above the movement of government employees' plans from where they were to Exchanges. That policy didn't even take effect until 5 years after the bill was signed into law.

    you spelled insurance industry handout wrong

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