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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    While all compulsory taxation is morally wrong there is a difference between being compelled to pay for services that benefit me and being compelled to pay for services that do not directly benefit me.
    Every single person has different views on what there taxes should go to, that's why taxes are split between many different things, wait, compulsory taxation is morally wrong? What grounds do you base this off of, how will the government provide services without taxes? People will always feel they are not compelled, we're all free to have opinions.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Indeed, they do by a long shot.
    I think it's hard to get past the fact that people are compelled into commerce. I think it is even harder to get past it when you realize that the entire bill lives because of servitude.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    he's been whining about employer subsidized healthcare?... you'll have to show me where that has happened.

    I'm not sure i've ever heard him say its awful for people to purchase from the exchanges.... his opposition doesn't seem to come from that side of the issue, he seem to me like he opposes the mandate.. whach, as we all know, is the backbone of the obamacare.
    that said, all i've heard is rhetoric about his opposition. i've never heard much in the way of specifics... there might even be parts of hte law he supports, but if he opposes the individual mandate, he really has no option other than calling for it's total repeal.



    well, I agree with him that it's awful that we are mandated by federal law to purchase a commercial product.... but again, i don't think he's come down on anyone for actually buying insurance through the exchanges.
    the only people who are whining about people buying through the exchanges are you guys.. the Obamacare supporters ( which is ironic)





    so why are you whining about him taking advantage of the best option available to him?

    umm.. maybe it's the fact they are forced to buy from there.. best option or not?
    you might be unaware of this, but lots of people are pissed off about the individual mandate.. lots of people oppose obamacare on that very basis.

    like i've repeatedly said, there is no inconsistency is following a law you oppose... it happens all day long, every day.... Cruz is just being attacked over this because of politics, nothing more, nothing less.
    don't get me wrong, i'm entertained by the attacks... but let's not pretend there's substance here.
    How are they forced? Give me some data on this, something.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I think it's hard to get past the fact that people are compelled into commerce. I think it is even harder to get past it when you realize that the entire bill lives because of servitude.
    Servitude: the state of being a slave or completely subject to someone more powerful.
    Oh yes, the ACA totally fits that description.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Every single person has different views on what there taxes should go to, that's why taxes are split between many different things, wait, compulsory taxation is morally wrong? What grounds do you base this off of, how will the government provide services without taxes? People will always feel they are not compelled, we're all free to have opinions.
    Do you understand the difference between a service like police that serves all and exists for all and something like food stamps that exists for the poor?

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Servitude: the state of being a slave or completely subject to someone more powerful.
    Oh yes, the ACA totally fits that description.
    What would happen to your pre-existing dream if people were not compelled to buy healthcare insurance? Do you know how insurance works? Do you want me to explain how forcing people to pay into a pot that you can take from is servitude?

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    A rare voice of reason appears, I must catch it with my ultra ball!
    I'm actually personally benefiting from PPACA, I suspect Cruz will be as well. He'll have no pre-existing worries, his premium will go down, his deductible will go down, coverage and accessibilities will go up. There are problems with the program, to be sure. Owning a medical billing company, I'm intimate with many of them, some will be ironed out, some may just be the price to pay.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you understand the difference between a service like police that serves all and exists for all and something like food stamps that exists for the poor?
    Food stamps do exist to help all on some degree, if you collapse into poverty and need help, you will be able to access food stamps. That's like saying "Government supported stem cell research doesn't help me directly, pfft, screw that." We obviously have very different views and opinions, I love healthy discourse.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    That's businesses deciding to do that, everything will have negative effects, the question is, do the positive effects far outweigh the negatives? In the case of obamacare, they do.
    Huh ?

    Its called unintended consequences and its a typical reaction to nonsensical left wing policies pushed down people's throats under the pretense of ' fairness " and " equity ".

    When will you people ever learn ? Oh, thats right, your'e loyal to a twisted and failed ideology, not to the truth.

    The fallacy and FOOLISHNESS of allowing a Government to become the ultimate arbiter of whats " fair " and whats not always has destructive consequences.

    The difference between you and I is I know that those consequences are inevitable.People that share you ideology dont care about consequences.

    You care about intent and empty plattitudes and are naive enough to believe that any Government could and would perform services more effficiently and effectively than the private sector.

    Government has done enough damage. They were the driving force behind the 2008 Financial Crises and what did so many ignorant Americans do ?

    They elected some idiot that signed a law that guaranteed higher cost on consumers and businesses YEARS before it was to be implemented.

    ObamaCare doesn't effect the Rich or poor. The rich can afford the cost increases and the poor quality for Medicaid.

    ObamaCare targets the discretionary income of the Middle class and thats idiotic. It takes more of it away under the pretense of " affordability " and " fairness. "

    How good is a law that was passed on the back of a long list of lies ? Not good at all.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Huh ?

    Its called unintended consequences and its a typical reaction to nonsensical left wing policies pushed down people's throats under the pretense of ' fairness " and " equity ".

    When will you people ever learn ? Oh, thats right, your'e loyal to a twisted and failed ideology, not to the truth.

    The fallacy and FOOLISHNESS of allowing a Government to become the ultimate arbiter of whats " fair " and whats not always has destructive consequences.

    The difference between you and I is I know that those consequences are inevitable.People that share you ideology dont care about consequences.

    You care about intent and empty plattitudes and are naive enough to believe that any Government could and would perform services more effficiently and effectively than the private sector.

    Government has done enough damage. They were the driving force behind the 2008 Financial Crises and what did so many ignorant Americans do ?

    They elected some idiot that signed a law that guaranteed higher cost on consumers and businesses YEARS before it was to be implemented.

    ObamaCare doesn't effect the Rich or poor. The rich can afford the cost increases and the poor quality for Medicaid.

    ObamaCare targets the discretionary income of the Middle class and thats idiotic. It takes more of it away under the pretense of " affordability " and " fairness. "

    How good is a law that was passed on the back of a long list of lies ? Not good at all.
    Sounds like fear mongering to me, but I'd like to address one point. LOOK AT EUROPE.

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