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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by uncleray View Post
    Would have preferred Mr. Cruz to take a stand and say "I'm against Obamacare which includes the plan for members of Congress. Therefore I'm exercising the freedom to choose my insurance and if I'm elected President, I will help you to do the same"
    If I understand the way it works, which is similar to the way it works for all employer-provided insurance, it's given to you, whether you want it or not. The employer is required to provide it. Even if someone goes out and buys separate insurance on his own, it wouldn't matter, since the second insurance company would refuse to pay claims. The employer-provided insurance is primary and legally required to pay medical claims. IF the second ins. co. would even sell a policy to him, after finding out about his employer-provided insurance.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    All of the acts mentioned, I don't see the negative effects presented by them, care to name a specific one?
    You would have to be pretty blind not to see the negative effects of ObamaCare.

    From its far reaching negative economic impact to its targeted cost increases on the Middle class Obamacare has been a disaster.

    A new poll came out recently that showed close to 20 percent of business planned on cutting back their employees hours and thats just one example of how destructive it is

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    What do you mean "forcing people" to help others? Explain, please, I don't understand, this just seems like a scare tactic based on paranoia to rally people against universal healthcare.
    It’s one thing to give your own money to help the poor; it’s quite another to give money to the poor that you’ve coercively seized from someone else.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    No, he's really not. Personality-wise, they're nothing alike.
    Ok, give me your personality assessment of the two.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You would have to be pretty blind not to see the negative effects of ObamaCare.

    From its far reaching negative economic impact to its targeted cost increases on the Middle class Obamacare has been a disaster.

    A new poll came out recently that showed close to 20 percent of business planned on cutting back their employees hours and thats just one example of how destructive it is
    That's businesses deciding to do that, everything will have negative effects, the question is, do the positive effects far outweigh the negatives? In the case of obamacare, they do.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It’s one thing to give your own money to help the poor; it’s quite another to give money to the poor that you’ve coercively seized from someone else.
    Ok, we live in a country where something called TAXES are collected by the government, and then used to provide services/fund programs that, for the most part, help people. If the government using a part of your taxes paid is seizing money and giving it to others in need, then we have a obvious divide of principle.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    That's businesses deciding to do that, everything will have negative effects, the question is, do the positive effects far outweigh the negatives? In the case of obamacare, they do.
    Indeed, they do by a long shot.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Ok, we live in a country where something called TAXES are collected by the government, and then used to provide services/fund programs that, for the most part, help people. If the government using a part of your taxes paid is seizing money and giving it to others in need, then we have a obvious divide of principle.
    While all compulsory taxation is morally wrong there is a difference between being compelled to pay for services that directly benefit me and being compelled to pay for services that do not directly benefit me.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Indeed, they do by a long shot.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Why yes, getting subsidied insurance through an exchange *is* the smart thing to do. Thing is, Cruz has been running his mouth off for some time about how awful it is that so many people have to buy through the exchange and get a subsidy.
    he's been whining about employer subsidized healthcare?... you'll have to show me where that has happened.

    How is it so awful for others to buy through the exchange but smart when he does it? How does that work?
    I'm not sure i've ever heard him say its awful for people to purchase from the exchanges.... his opposition doesn't seem to come from that side of the issue, he seem to me like he opposes the mandate.. whach, as we all know, is the backbone of the obamacare.
    that said, all i've heard is rhetoric about his opposition. i've never heard much in the way of specifics... there might even be parts of hte law he supports, but if he opposes the individual mandate, he really has no option other than calling for it's total repeal.



    Why yes, it *is* the most economically responsible option available to him. *That's* the point - for all his whining about how bad it is that millions are being "forced" to buy on the exchange and get a subsidy, his own actions show that this "awful choice" is the most economically responsible choice available for millions of americans.
    well, I agree with him that it's awful that we are mandated by federal law to purchase a commercial product.... but again, i don't think he's come down on anyone for actually buying insurance through the exchanges.
    the only people who are whining about people buying through the exchanges are you guys.. the Obamacare supporters ( which is ironic)





    Yes, the exchanges *are* "the best option available"
    so why are you whining about him taking advantage of the best option available to him?

    So why does he whine about how millions are being "forced" to buy there? How is it that when they choose "the best option available" it's a forced decision, but when he makes a similar choice its "the best option available"?
    umm.. maybe it's the fact they are forced to buy from there.. best option or not?
    you might be unaware of this, but lots of people are pissed off about the individual mandate.. lots of people oppose obamacare on that very basis.

    like i've repeatedly said, there is no inconsistency is following a law you oppose... it happens all day long, every day.... Cruz is just being attacked over this because of politics, nothing more, nothing less.
    don't get me wrong, i'm entertained by the attacks... but let's not pretend there's substance here.

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