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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Yes, because the majority of countries currently doing it are failing miserably
    What other alternative do you have then the government to provide healthcare to everyone?
    Personal choice, personal responsibility, individual compassion and a free market.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, I'm talking about people providing it.
    So, doctors, who will always be paid regardless of the system in place?

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    He probably was, but I'd say Nixon was probably a bigger asshole than Clinton or Obama.
    You are right up until Obama. Obama is the Democrat embodiment of Nixon.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Personal choice, personal responsibility, individual compassion and a free market.
    That's not an alternative to provide healthcare to everyone.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    So only Democratic Presidents are assholes.
    How does that square with you saying that you are not a GOP?

    How do you feel about the current House taking parts of Defense back off budget again?
    I'm assuming you're down with this asshole move perfected by co-Presidents Cheney/Bush .

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Really? Obama is the biggest asshole this country has elected since Clinton, which was the biggest asshole this country elected since Johnson. To be fair though, no one can possibly be a bigger asshole than Johnson.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    buying on the open market would mean no employer contribution... he'd be paying 100% of the premiums
    or he'd run with the employer-based insurance and pay 25% of his premiums....
    Why yes, getting subsidied insurance through an exchange *is* the smart thing to do. Thing is, Cruz has been running his mouth off for some time about how awful it is that so many people have to buy through the exchange and get a subsidy.

    How is it so awful for others to buy through the exchange but smart when he does it? How does that work?

    I know his opposition will give him hell over it...and that's fine.
    the dude should cover his family in the most economically responsible way available to him...which is exactly what the people who are giving him hell do.
    Why yes, it *is* the most economically responsible option available to him. *That's* the point - for all his whining about how bad it is that millions are being "forced" to buy on the exchange and get a subsidy, his own actions show that this "awful choice" is the most economically responsible choice available for millions of americans.

    at the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with opposing something and still taking part in it when it is the best option available.... it does, however, make for great political theater.
    Yes, the exchanges *are* "the best option available"

    So why does he whine about how millions are being "forced" to buy there? How is it that when they choose "the best option available" it's a forced decision, but when he makes a similar choice its "the best option available"?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It does seem to care, I'd like to put my merits on elected officials who push for programs to help others, maybe some don't care, but the care given by the government would certainly trump privatized healthcare, just look at almost every European country with UHC.
    Ok, so give me the name of someone in government that you think cares for the poor and needy.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So only Democratic Presidents are assholes.
    How does that square with you saying that you are not a GOP?

    How do you feel about the current House taking parts of Defense back off budget again?
    I'm assuming you're down with this asshole move perfected by co-Presidents Cheney/Bush .
    Well, I couldn't think of any republican asshole presidents off the top of my head.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    That's not an alternative to provide healthcare to everyone.
    It is much better than any government solution...especially considering those non-monetary costs I mentioned. (that you conveniently chose to ignore)

    Heck, Obamacare can't even provide everyone with healthcare.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Really? Obama is the biggest asshole this country has elected since Clinton, which was the biggest asshole this country elected since Johnson. To be fair though, no one can possibly be a bigger asshole than Johnson.
    Well most people personally like Obama and Clinton, as well as Reagan, Carter, Ford, and both Bushes. Sure some people hate them, but most people like them personally even if they don't like their policies. We hardly ever elect people we think are assholes. Basically you got Nixon and LBJ, but LBJ only because he was Kennedy's VP (another guy most people liked personally).
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