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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Oops he obeyed the law !!! NOOOOOooo ! The horror...Lol

    You libs aren't used to Politicians obeying laws apparently.
    That seems to be the problem

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Oh, the hilarity.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Wait...do I understand this correctly?
    Cruz is being criticized for following the law?
    That seems to be a strange thing for people to do...until one thinks about how these same people DON'T criticize politicians for NOT following the law.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    This is an epic fail because if you knew what you were talking about then you would know that all congressmen are required to get obamacare.
    it was part of the bill when it was passed.
    why? because congress should have to get the same crappy healthcare that they want to give other people.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't see what the issue is here. Sen. Cruz opposes both the act and the special treatment it provides for member of Congress. So, he plans to decline the special treatment and comply with the law as it now exists. Later, if he is elected president, he intends to do all he can to get the act repealed.
    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    This was a terrific catch 22 for Ted Cruz, it is sad how many of you jumped on the bandwagon for it. No matter how he was losing existing coverage he is faced with two options that both the left would use against him. Either go through the exchanges to obtain new coverage or forgo dealing with ACA altogether as a matter of protest, and no matter what he did the left was going to crucify him. He decided to adhere to the law, and the left goes wild... predictable and sad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    If a local city councilman says he's going to fight a jaywalking law in the city, that doesn't mean he doesn't have to follow the law while it remains the law
    Actually, as I said, I wasn't sure he didn't have Options/it "MAY have been mandatory."
    Now I'm reading he Did have other Choices:

    Ted Cruz, who once spent 21 hours filibustering Obamacare, may sign up for Obamacare - Vox

    Beyond his desire to obey the law, if Cruz surveyed the market for individual insurance, he'd probably learn pretty quickly that the exchange is almost certainly his best option.

    He could sign up for coverage through COBRA, the law that requires employers to offer their employees health insurance for 18 months after they quit. If Cruz is the very optimistic type, he will need coverage for 20 months — from now until the election next November. So his coverage could, theoretically leave him short.

    The other problem with COBRA: it's expensive. Typically, the employer and the employee split the price of an insurance premium. But former employees on COBRA pay the entire cost.

    Cruz could buy individual market coverage Without using the exchange, although that shopping experience can be messy. Outside of the exchange, there's no central repository of health insurance plans that lets you explore different options. While Healthcare.gov did indeed have a disastrous launch, the website now is actually pretty good for comparing different plans.

    Then there's the option of Not buying coverage at all and paying a Fine. This year, the Cruz family would pay either a $1,300 penalty for 2015 ($325 each for Cruz, his wife, and his two daughters) or 2 percent of their income, whichever is greater. That's likely cheaper than buying an insurance plan but also comes with the massive downside of remaining uninsured.


    Finally, we come to the health insurance exchanges. If members of Congress want to get coverage through their job, Obamacare requires them to go to the marketplaces rather than the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program. Members of Congress can get subsidies here for their health insurance, although Cruz has indicated he won't accept it.

    "I strongly oppose the exemption that President Obama illegally put in place for members of Congress because (Senate Minority Leader) Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats didn't want to be under the same rules as the American people," Cruz told CNN.

    Correction: This post initially stated the length of COBRA insurance. It is 18 months.
    So, if the above is correct, and I believe it is, he could have signed up for Cobra quite easily, and unless the campaign goes unexpectedly well, he could Then have tried O'care, or Private.
    O'care was just Cheaper I guess.
    Is that Not a sell out of principles?
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, you don't

    No, he is not.

    Cruz is being criticized for buying through an exchange even though the law does not require him to do so. He can buy a plan on his own directly from an insurer.
    Anyone can do that. And guess what? The plan he buys from an insurer won't be any different than what he gets from an exchange.

    You guys are really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for things to criticize him about.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Anyone can do that. And guess what? The plan he buys from an insurer won't be any different than what he gets from an exchange.

    You guys are really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for things to criticize him about.
    It's not hard to criticize him... Just look at his views on climate change and the disrespect he gave to NASA members while discussing future funding.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Anyone can do that. And guess what? The plan he buys from an insurer won't be any different than what he gets from an exchange.
    That's correct.

    So if there's no difference, why did he buy through an exchange instead of buying it on his own?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It's not hard to criticize him... Just look at his views on climate change and the disrespect he gave to NASA members while discussing future funding.
    LOL!!

    And yet, you won't stoop to digging into the ridiculous.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's correct.

    So if there's no difference, why did he buy through an exchange instead of buying it on his own?
    Why not?

    Oh...wait...it's something to criticize him for...why waste it?
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If anything, the GOP just needs to accept the ACA isnt going anywhere. I think generally most if not all of them believe this, but the vast majority of them wont come out an admit it because its way too good of a talking point their base has bought into.
    Agreed. Its time for the GOP to get life and stop obsessing over the past. They should be talking about how to reform it in a way that maximizes its effectiveness at the lost possible cost. The problem with the GOP, however, is that they can't seem to deal in reality; they just want to exist in the past.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It's not hard to criticize him... Just look at his views on climate change and the disrespect he gave to NASA members while discussing future funding.
    ... which is why he is not a serious candidate....

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