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Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

No, it's not, because it makes more sense when you realize he doesn't have to get on obamacare, and citizens aren't forced to either.

yeah, you're right.. that what it's called the "individual suggestion" and not the "individual mandate"... and no one get penalizes for going against the "suggestion"
:roll:
 
COBRA is up to 3 years. Obviously there are conditions, etc. But it's usually 18-36 months.

IIRC Cruz himself said that he is now signing up for ACA, which means before when he was under his wife's plan he wasn't in ACA. So to stay out of ACA all he had to do was stay in her policy via COBRA. The political benefit would have been huge for him.

He's a smart guy, and I'm sure he has smart people around him. He had other options besides ACA, I have no idea why he went into ACA.

Yes he's been on her Goldman Sachs insurance through the years. I suspect GS has killer insurance, especially for Managing Directors.

Sure, it could have been a political benefit for him if he publicly said "I now need to use my government benefits because my wife is taking a leave of absence. But my fellow lawmakers changed the rules and to gain political points, and made it so that I have to use one of the ACA Exchanges to get my insurance. Because I oppose the ACA, I won't do that, so instead I'll use my wife's COBRA coverage for now." Or would it? Who would have said "Ted Cruz is a GREAT guy for doing that" but the people who oppose the ACA as well and probably considered him a viable candidate to begin with?

The biggest outrage I see about what he's doing is coming from the left, and I don't see them applauding him for making a move like that. He wouldn't really gain anything.
 
yeah, you're right.. that what it's called the "individual suggestion" and not the "individual mandate"... and no one get penalizes for going against the "suggestion"
:roll:

Oh Thrilla, you're so pre-Obama. These days all federal law is advisory, don'tcha know? ;)
 
yeah, you're right.. that what it's called the "individual suggestion" and not the "individual mandate"... and no one get penalizes for going against the "suggestion"
:roll:

Still not forcing anyone, and the murder example has absolutely no context, it's an absurd deflection.
 
Sounds like fear mongering to me, but I'd like to address one point. LOOK AT EUROPE. :)

As a example of failed Socialist experiments ? Yes, look at Europe.

Greece, Spain, Italy, France.

More to the point, look at Socialist Argentina and Venezuela.

In the 90s Hugo Chavez started to Nationalize all of Venezuelas wealth creation under the pretense of " equality " and " fairness ".

The same old clap trap every Socialist agenda is based on. Unfortunately Venezuelans were naive enough to be duped into believing that its the Governments responsibility to be the arbiter of whats " fair " and equitable ".

Production in every sector of the Venezuelan economy started to drop off, due to the inherent inefficiencies and corruption of central planning. As productivity fell so did revenues and with a increasing entitlement class Venezuela started to borrow to make up for budget shortfalls.

Now, they're being sued by their creditors that were stiffed by a Socialist Government, basic supplies are few and far between and Venezuela has the Highest inflation rates in the world because no one in their right mind will lend them a dime anymore amd they've started printing.

Its the typical Socialist horror story. Naive citizens believe central planning can solve their problems and in the end their lives are made worse exponentially.

Greece corrupted European banks and threatened the existence of a Union they lied to get into to by increasing their public sector at the expense of their private sector.

They borrowed and distributed worthless bonds throughout Europe and in the end, they tried to shake down the only Country that legitimately tried to help them. They accused Germany of War crimes in a disgusting attempt to bail on their promises.

Socialist seem to be inherently dishonest individuals and Socialism continues to cause destruction and poverty and want.
 
As a example of failed Socialist experiments ? Yes, look at Europe.

Greece, Spain, Italy, France.

More to the point, look at Socialist Argentina and Venezuela.

In the 90s Hugo Chavez started to Nationalize all of Venezuelas wealth creation under the pretense of " equality " and " fairness ".

The same old clap trap every Socialist agenda is based on. Unfortunately Venezuelans were naive enough to be duped into believing that its the Governments responsibility to be the arbiter of whats " fair " and equitable ".

Production in every sector of the Venezuelan economy started to drop off, due to the inherent inefficiencies and corruption of central planning. As productivity fell so did revenues and with a increasiincreaseing entitlement class Venezuela started to borrow to make up for budget shortfalls.

Now, they're being sued by their creditors that were stiffed by a Socialist Government, basic supplies are few and far between and Venezuela has the Highest inflation rates in the world due to currency printing because no one in their right mind will lend them a dime anymore.

Its the typical Socialist horror story. Naive citizens believe central planning can solve their problems and in the end their lives are made worse exponentially.

Greece corrupted European banks and threatened the existence of a Union they lied to get into to by increasing their public sector at the expense of their private sector.

They borrowed and distributed worthless bonds throughout Europe and in the end, they tried to shake down the only Country that legitimately tried to help them. They accused Germany of War crimes in a disgusting attempt to bail on their promises.

Socialist seem to be inherently dishonest individuals.

Look at all of the other "socialist" minded countries instead of cherry picking. Giving two countries as support is absurd, might aswell say capitalism doesn't work due to the great depression.
 
Still not forcing anyone, and the murder example has absolutely no context, it's an absurd deflection.

synonyms for "force" include : coercion, compulsion, pressure, stress, subjection.

pick one you don't get butthurt over..... they all apply.
 
synonyms for "force" include : coercion, compulsion, pressure, stress, subjection.

pick one you don't get butthurt over..... they all apply.

We're "coerced" and "pressured", ok. Coerce: persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats. - Don't see the threats or the force.
Pressure: attempt to persuade or coerce (someone) into doing something.
We're "coerced" to pay off credit card debt...
 
Look at all of the other "socialist" minded countries instead of cherry picking. Giving two countries as support is absurd, might aswell say capitalism doesn't work due to the great depression.

socialist minded countries?... oh you mean those countries that rely on directly capitalism and capitalist markets to support their social welfare programs.
 
socialist minded countries?... oh you mean those countries that rely on directly capitalism and capitalist markets to support their social welfare programs.

I accept the reality that capitalism will not go away, and applaud how those countries are functioning, you can't deny those countries are doing much better then we are, if you want to debate the merits of fully enacted democratic socialism in a already established country, that's not for this thread, take it to my messages.
 
We're "coerced" and "pressured", ok. Coerce: persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats. - Don't see the threats or the force.
Pressure: attempt to persuade or coerce (someone) into doing something.
We're "coerced" to pay off credit card debt...

OK then.. keep believing it's just a suggestion... it's not like your ignorance hurts me.
 
I accept the reality that capitalism will not go away, and applaud how those countries are functioning, you can't deny those countries are doing much better then we are, if you want to debate the merits of fully enacted democratic socialism in a already established country, that's not for this thread, take it to my messages.

I don't message socialists, sorry.... and "doing much better" is rather subjective.
 
OK then.. keep believing it's just a suggestion... it's not like your ignorance hurts me.

It's not forcing like you say, it is simply a fine that one can be exempt from, just like the credit card debt example, although no exemptions exist for that.
 
It's not forcing like you say, it is simply a fine that one can be exempt from, just like the credit card debt example, although no exemptions exist for that.

like I said.. stick with the "individual suggestion" theory... whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
I don't message socialists, sorry.... and "doing much better" is rather subjective.

Alright, time to start making comparisons with countries that have socialist minded policies, feel free to research on your own. These are just some random grabs. These countries are also great for small businesses.
Which is a better place to live: Germany or USA? - Quora
Interesting facts about Finland - Finland Guide - Eupedia
Norway Tops Nations in Quality of Life : Discovery News : Discovery News
20 best countries for startups - 10. Norway (10) - Small Business
OECD Better Life Index
OECD Better Life Index
Scandinavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read about others and there economies if you truly care.
 
wow, thanks... were it not for you, I wouldn't know these countries existed!

/sarcasm.

Just showing that socialist policies are very successful and work when done properly.
 
The way he handled her questioning reminded of Romney. He didn't want to answer the question and kept trying to talk his way out of answering the question, which made him look like a total jackass as the interview went on. The whole thing makes him look like a typical, slime ball politician. I can't stand the guy.
 
We're "coerced" and "pressured", ok. Coerce: persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats. - Don't see the threats or the force.
Pressure: attempt to persuade or coerce (someone) into doing something.
We're "coerced" to pay off credit card debt...

What is it about ordinary English that eludes you? "Force" is used in several different senses (Merriam-Webster):

Examples of FORCE

They forced us to work long hours without pay.

The flooding forced hundreds of residents to flee their homes.

After seeing the evidence, I was forced to admit my error.

I am forced to conclude that more funding will be necessary.

The scandal forced his resignation.

Lack of time may eventually force a compromise.

They are trying to force a vote on this issue.


Synonyms include: force, compel, coerce, constrain, oblige which means to make someone or something yield. Force is the general term and implies the overcoming of resistance by the exertion of strength, power, or duress. And yes, Obamacare is enforced by coercion (actual or threatened pressure through a major fine), constraints (the effect of a circumstance and law that limits freedom of action), and obligation (to follow the law).

Next time you read a dictionary or thesaurus, I suggest you take off your blinkers. The words "force" and "forced" have several meanings and usages, including those used in this discussion.

Ssssshheeeesh.
 
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Look at all of the other "socialist" minded countries instead of cherry picking. Giving two countries as support is absurd, might aswell say capitalism doesn't work due to the great depression.

Im pretty sure I listed more than two Countries.

If your'e trying to say the Danes are a example of a working Socialist template than YOU'RE the one being selective

They have ALWAYS incentivized the creation of wealth and profit. Those are two concepts that don't fit into central planning.

Chavez rose to power under the pretense that he would give the wealth of the Country " back to the people."

But without the free market principles that efficiently allocate goods and services his Socialist utopia turned into a nightmare.

Government intervention corrupts and undermines the core principles of the Free market and then people like you point to the destruction as a example of Capitalisms failure

In the 90s the Democrats manufactured the false narrative of " discriminatory lending practices " and implemented new Regulations to force Banks to offer " equal credit ".

Ten Federal agencies ( Fair lending Task Force) were tasked with hunting down Banks who wouldn't or didn't comply with their arbitrary new standards. Banks were sued by the DOJ, by HUD and by Community activist groups like ACORN and Plaintiffs Attorney's like Barrack Obama.

The Democrats decided that the decades old lending standards were innately racist and through threats , DOJ lawsuits and executive actions they forced lenders to lower those standards.

In 1995, Bill Clinton co-opted the GSEs into the Subprime market by giving them " affordable lending " quotas that started out at 46 percent.

That meant Freddie and Fannie had to purchase 1 subprime loan for every prime loan they purchased. These loans were then bundled and sold off as Securities with a " AAA " rating.

In 1993 Homeowner-ship rates were 63 percent and by 2000 they rose to 68 percent. A unprecedented 5 percent increase in Homeowner-ship rates.

From 2000- 2008 they rose another 1 percent.

In 2008 the GSEs were declared insolvent holding over 5 Trillion dollars in debt.

Progressives like to point to the 2008 Subprime mortgage crisis as a example of the dangers of " Capitalism ".

The 2008 Financial crisis wasn't the fault of Capitalism or the Free market. It was caused by unprecedented Government intervention into the private sector and it was all predicated on a Lie.

That the Government would or could be a fair and unbiased arbiter of what was " fair " and undermining the principles of our free market economy would lead to a positive result.
 
Alright, time to start making comparisons with countries that have socialist minded policies, feel free to research on your own. These are just some random grabs. These countries are also great for small businesses.
Which is a better place to live: Germany or USA? - Quora
Interesting facts about Finland - Finland Guide - Eupedia
Norway Tops Nations in Quality of Life : Discovery News : Discovery News
20 best countries for startups - 10. Norway (10) - Small Business
OECD Better Life Index
OECD Better Life Index
Scandinavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read about others and there economies if you truly care.

I'm not new to any of this, nor am I a kid... you're not bringing me anything i haven't see nor read before.
 
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