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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I think defense also includes healthcare for the people, caring for the people seems to me to be defense of the people, in a sense. The "state" has to do alot more than just defend the people.
    The state doesn't "need" to do anything, so that is a non-starter. Maintaining your own health is your responsibly and has nothing to do with my comment or the quote I provided.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That I disagree with your ideology of ever growing duties of the state? That I happen to think that the only logical duty of the state is to protect the peoples rights?

    "Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two. For what are our faculties but the extension of our individuality? And what is property but an extension of our faculties? If every person has the right to defend even by force — his person, his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights constantly. Thus the principle of collective right — its reason for existing, its lawfulness — is based on individual right. And the common force that protects this collective right cannot logically have any other purpose or any other mission than that for which it acts as a substitute. Thus, since an individual cannot lawfully use force against the person, liberty, or property of another individual, then the common force — for the same reason — cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, liberty, or property of individuals or groups." - Frédéric Bastiat
    That has nothing whatsoever to do with defending your ridiculous comment from earlier. Fourth time, try again. I, and probably Dovkan, are pretty convinced that you are unable to do so.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    I dislike Cruz. I dislike the ACA. I acknowledge the fact that the ACA is the law of the land. I respect Cruz, despite his dislike of the law, for following it and acting like a regular, everyday American.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    It's mind-boggling how liberals have completely missed Cruz' point.

    He's trying to show that he is willing to suffer the same system American citizens are, while members of Congress like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are opting out of Obamacare as the bill was written to allow them.

    The hypocrisy on is liberals, not Cruz.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    That has nothing whatsoever to do with defending your ridiculous comment from earlier. Fourth time, try again. I, and probably Dovkan, are pretty convinced that you are unable to do so.
    It defended it perfectly. You feel as if the government should do an ever expanding list of things depending on what the people want or need at a given time. It's a useless ideology with no real constraints to speak of. I don't happen to agree with the state, but if it exists I do not find it useful or desirable to follow your ideology as it must undermine the peoples rights to do so. For example, you can not logically support the peoples rights and at the same time force people to provide for other peoples healthcare, education, housing, food, clothing, etc.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It defended it perfectly.
    Yessssss. Preciousssssss. It defended the Precioussssssss perfectly.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It defended it perfectly. You feel as if the government should do an ever expanding list of things depending on what the people want or need at a given time. It's a useless ideology with no real constraints to speak of. I don't happen to agree with the state, but if it exists I do not find it useful or desirable to follow your ideology as it must undermine the peoples rights to do so. For example, you can not logically support the peoples rights and at the same time force people to provide for other peoples healthcare, education, housing, food, clothing, etc.
    No one is forced to do any of those things, I suppose they are "forced" to pay taxes that the government redistributes through programs to help people, if that's what you count. I don't want my taxes going to defense, but we have to realize that's not how it works.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I can't believe this.
    He declared his candidacy yesterday saying he was going to repeal every single word.
    It may be mandatory, tho I see no reason he couldn't get private insurance and pay a penalty if required. That would be more consistent with his politics until now.
    No, this is not April Fools, this is a real headline.

    Ted Cruz going on Obamacare
    By Dana Bash and MJ Lee, CNN
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    His flip flop collection might be larger than mitt romney's.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The state doesn't "need" to do anything, so that is a non-starter. Maintaining your own health is your responsibly and has nothing to do with my comment or the quote I provided.
    How can you maintain your own health if private insurance companies deny you if you have a pre-existing condition, and you lack the wealth needed to get medical care? Or how about cancer treatments costing tens of thousands that insurance companies only pay a fraction of, raise your rates afterwards, the state doesn't "need" to do anything, but defense, according to what I've read from you. That will obviously work well /s

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    His flip flop collection might be larger than mitt romney's.
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