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I feel like some green eggs and ham this morning, just to kick things off. :mrgreen:
Good morning. And no problem.
What pisses me off is even before ACA what we had socialism. Someone goes to the ER without HI, and can't pay, so who pays for them? The tax payers and the people with HI, thats who. So they need to put something in place so everyone is covered. Yes, that is socialism, but that's what we got now anyway. The difference is what we have now is a complete, helter skelter mess. The person w/o HI gets a heart procedure and is charged $20,000. The person with HI for the same procedure is charged $50,000. They need to put something in place that manages costs fairly. And that should stabilize costs, maybe.
The 'punishment' is minimal and has exemptions.
"minimal" is relative.... but it's still a punishment for not living up to what you government had ordered you to do.
equivocate all you like, but there's no getting around the basic fact that your federal government has ordered you to purchase a commercial product.
No one is being ordered to do anything, that is like saying the government is forcing us to follow the speed limit, or something as preposterous as that.
And if a politician vows to eliminate the speed limit he is not a hypocrite if he continues to follow the speed limit law while it is in effectNo one is being ordered to do anything, that is like saying the government is forcing us to follow the speed limit, or something as preposterous as that.
COBRA and private HI has nothing to do with ACA. Both been around long before ACA. You seem to be saying that because all HI policies now must cover pre-existing conditions they are all ACA policies? Nope.
a mandate is an official order.... in this particular case, given by the federal government.
force includes coercion or compulsion.... coercion and compulsion are part and parcel of the individual mandate.
sorry man, your position is untenable.... rethink it.
I am curious. The mandate is for people to have insurance of a certain quality. Is there actually any mandate that states you must get it from an exchange or a particular place?
Could he have gotten insurance privately?
60% of all personal bankruptcies are caused by medical expenses and costs. So no, there really isn't a lot of regulations to solve those difficulties. Unless of course you are counting going bankrupt as one of those options.
If the mere notion of gaining a benefit compared to no insurance from ACA somehow makes him a hypocrite, than thst applies to him purchasing a private plan as well
you're building a strawman here.After thinking about it, I've come to the conclusion that it's not so much hypocrisy as it is dishonesty
For some time, Cruz and the right have been loudly whining about how terrible it is that millions of americans have lost their plan and been "forced" to buy coverage in an exchange. Now that he has lost his plan, Cruz (whose wealth and position gives him as more options than most) has decided to buy a plan on the exchange because it the best option available to him
Why is it that when others choose the best option, they are being "forced" to do that, but when Cruz makes such a choice, he's doing the smart thing?
IOW, his choice illuminates the fact that his rhetoric about being "forced" to buy on the exchange is nothing but a lie. The truth is, for millions of americans, the exchange is best available option because of the benefits it provides. The people buying coverage there are not victims of coercion; They are recipients of a valuable benefit.
"minimal" is relative.... but it's still a punishment for not living up to what you government had ordered you to do.
equivocate all you like, but there's no getting around the basic fact that your federal government has ordered you to purchase a commercial product.
you're building a strawman here.
nobody has argued it's not the best option for other people to take advantage of..... nobody has argued they are not doing the smart thing.
most of the people buying into the exchanges are doing the only thing they can do.. and are mandated to do.... and nobody here is taking any of them to task over doing as much.
but the existence of the individual mandate pretty much renders your argument of " they're not being forced/coerced" to be incorrect on the merits.
Because I've never dealt with cobra, how long would it lasts? I see some saying 36 months, other 18. Also, is he elligible since his wife was not terminated, but quit, her job?
As to the private plans, yes,..those are still impacted by the ACC. Whether it's a private plan or state exchange, Cruz is still being "impacted" and "effected" and given "benefits" of the ACA. If the mere notion of gaining a benefit compared to no insurance from ACA somehow makes him a hypocrite, than thst applies to him purchasing a private plan as well
COBRA is up to 3 years. Obviously there are conditions, etc. But it's usually 18-36 months.
IIRC Cruz himself said that he is now signing up for ACA, which means before when he was under his wife's plan he wasn't in ACA. So to stay out of ACA all he had to do was stay in her policy via COBRA. The political benefit would have been huge for him.
He's a smart guy, and I'm sure he has smart people around him. He had other options besides ACA, I have no idea why he went into ACA.
a mandate is an official order.... in this particular case, given by the federal government.
force includes coercion or compulsion.... coercion and compulsion are part and parcel of the individual mandate.
sorry man, your position is untenable.... rethink it.
No, it's not, because it makes more sense when you realize he doesn't have to get on obamacare, and citizens aren't forced to either.
:roll: People have been forced to buy healthcare or pay a fine. That's a fact.
True, and there is a right to freeload, so the mandate is an impermissible infringement on our freedom and liberty!!
You have a right to decide if you will buy a good or service or not. If you decide to never buy insurance that is your right and I have no more right than anyone else to force you to buy it.
They can get exemptions, and it's hilarious, NO ONE IS FORCED, they still have a choice.