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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, we don't. The government is not there to innovate, explore space, or to feed the poor. Defense is actually a power of the government and it exists for that purpose.
    The government is not there to innovate or explore [outer] space.

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    The government is not there to innovate or explore [outer] space.

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    That is one of the single dumbest things I have ever read at DP. Please, do us all a favor and move to Somalia or some other country where you won't have to suffer the horrible burden of cutting-edge technology or space travel that is funded by taxpayer dollars.

    The government is not there to innovate or explore [outer] space. Actually, wait, I have a better idea than moving abroad: Put in a job app to Fox "News." You'd fit right in.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So? Why should they sign up for COBRA? As an employee of the Congress, he gets insurance coverage just like the rest of them do. He can't sign up for the insurance that the rest of the bloodsuckers had been getting courtesy of the taxpayers because the law they championed (the ACA) rendered that old way of getting insurance obsolete, and now all of them have to sign up for exchange insurance - again, because the law they passed says so.

    If this happened prior to January 1, 2014, it wouldn't have made the news - even the partisan sites. It would have been simply one more DC staffer or politician getting insurance through their federal insurance offering, and you and I and the left wing partisans and the Kardashians and everyone else would never have heard about it.
    Epic fail for the partisan effort to make this a bad reflection on Cruz.

    Ted Cruz Wants You To Believe He’s Legally Required To Sign Up For Obamacare. He’s Not.

    BY IGOR VOLSKY
    MARCH 25, 2015 AT 11:50 AM
    Ted Cruz Wants You To Believe He's Legally Required To Sign Up For Obamacare. He's Not. | ThinkProgress

    Newly-minted presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) admitted that he would grudgingly sign up for health care coverage through the Affordable Care Act on Tuesday, just one day after announcing that he intends to repeal “every word of Obamacare” if elected president.
    Cruz framed the decision as one of inevitability.
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    “I believe we should follow the text of every law, even laws I disagree with,” Cruz said. “It’s one of the real differences — if you look at President Obama and the lawlessness, if he disagrees with a law he simply refuses to follow it or claims the authority to unilaterally change.”

    Cruz should consider the law more closely.

    The Affordable Care Act does Not compel members of Congress to enroll in DC’s health care exchange; it simply cuts off the Government Contribution to their insurance plans if they buy their policies elsewhere. “The final rule extends a Government contribution towards health benefits plans for Members of Congress and designated congressional staff so long as the health benefits plans are purchased via the appropriate SHOP as determined by the Director,” a summary of the final rule says. “Nothing in the final rule or the law prevents a Member of Congress or designated congressional staff from declining a Government contribution for him or herself by choosing a different option for their health insurance coverage.”

    In other words, Cruz “could purchase coverage in the outside market but would get no subsidy from the FEHBP program,”
    Tim Jost clarified for ThinkProgress, referring to the acronym for the federal health care program.

    “It seems like the primary other option he would have is to take advantage of COBRA through his wife, though he’d be forgoing the employer contribution. He could also buy non-group coverage,” Larry Levitt, Senior Vice President at the Kaiser Family Foundation, said.

    Cruz could Also potentially purchased insurance through his presidential campaign’s presumptive health care insurance. In those instances, however, he would have had to give up his employer’s contribution and likely pay more for insurance than he is now being charged under Obamacare.

    DESPITE initially telling CNN’s Dana Bash that Cruz didn’t pursue other alternatives because “Obamacare has wiped out the individual market, leaving Cruz with few options,”
    his staff is now explaining to reporters that Cruz might skip the DC exchange and sign up for coverage in Texas, through that state’s federal exchange. “As it happens, Cruz appears likely to forego the 75% employer contribution he could get as a member of Congress and instead access Obamacare from Texas, which doesn’t have a state exchange,” The Daily Caller reports, adding, “That means Cruz would use HealthCare.gov to get health insurance, at the same time the Supreme Court is considering ruling taxpayer [subsidies] for federal exchange customers illegal.”


    So for probably a few hundred dollars a month more, he could maintain his integrity/Filibuster.
    My God Clowns, his wife works/worked at Goldman Sachs! (just on leave)
    Bonuses alone for mere secretaries are 30-50K there.
    he can't lay out another few hundred a month?


    "Epic Fail" for you tres barrachos.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    The government is not there to innovate or explore [outer] space.

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    The government is not there to innovate or explore [outer] space.

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    That is one of the single dumbest things I have ever read at DP. Please, do us all a favor and move to Somalia or some other country where you won't have to suffer the horrible burden of cutting-edge technology or space travel that is funded by taxpayer dollars.

    The government is not there to innovate or explore [outer] space. Actually, wait, I have a better idea than moving abroad: Put in a job app to Fox "News." You'd fit right in.
    Oh no, I disagree with your opinion!

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Why would he decline employer funded insurance (aka "subsidy")?

    It isn't his fault his employer decided to make their insurance plan be part of the Exchanges that the law that they passed set up.
    You'll have to take that up with Rafael. He's the one who said he'd decline the taxpayer contribution/subsidy.

    And if he declines the employer contribution, there is nothing tying him to the exchange.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh no, I disagree with your opinion!
    Don't dance around the bush. Are you seriously suggesting that NASA is unconstitutional?
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Don't dance around the bush. Are you seriously suggesting that NASA is unconstitutional?
    No, but is it a problem if I was?

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Ted Cruz renounced his communist Canadian citizenship, adopted country music, moved to Texas, etc. He shut down the government. He spent umpteen hours reciting Dr. Seus books to faux-filibuster Obamacare. The least he could do is distance himself from Obamacare as much as possible. Does he incur a financial burden for doing so? Big deal. You set yourself up as the ideologically pure candidate, you put yourself in that box.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
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    "Epic Fail" for you Tres barrachos

    You're going to keep posting partisan drivel from hyper partisan sites, and expect to make points? Only with other partisans - not me.

    If Cruz wants to take advantage of the benefits that everyone else in his position, everyone else in his staff, and everyone else in the staffs of his counterparts have, he has to go on an Exchange. He has no choice. Prior to January 1, 2014, if he had signed up for his employer's insurance, you and everyone else wouldn't say one word.

    And where his wife works has nothing to do with him signing up for employer sponsored insurance. In fact, he is an advocate of employer-sponsored insurance - the very insurance that Barack Obama famously said needed to be eliminated.

    Ted Cruz is finally signing up for his employer-based insurance, and people are losing their marbles about it. The irony is absolutely delicious. Keep the humor coming.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You'll have to take that up with Rafael. He's the one who said he'd decline the taxpayer contribution/subsidy.

    And if he declines the employer contribution, there is nothing tying him to the exchange.
    He's signing up for his employer-based insurance. Like I have, and most people with a job have.

    His entire income is paid for by the taxpayers.

    This is priceless. Keep at it!
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, but is it a problem if I was?
    Then you need to clarify your line that "the government is not there to innovate or explore space." Because that's sure what it sounded like. Hint: The Constitution says that one of Congress' duties is "To promote the progress of science and useful arts."
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