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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Full disclosure: When I wrote that the OP only contained the words "I can't believe this."

    Whether that was a browser problem on my end or the OP was submitted incomplete I decided to have fun with whatever it was that mbig was incredulous over.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    One thing is for sure. He is going to look pretty ridiculous harping on the Affordable Care Act while being on it.
    The same way all the Democrats looked ridiculous when the used the Bush tax cuts when filling their taxes. Oh wait, that didn't happen because they were following the law.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No. Congress is required to go through the exchanges.
    Isn't that only if he wants the employer subsidy? If he's declining the subsidy, I'm not sure why he can't go out and get a private family plan from Texas or wherever.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No. Congress is required to go through the exchanges.
    NO, they're not.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No. Congress is required to go through the exchanges.
    From the official website:

    The ObamaCare Health Insurance Exchange Marketplace opened Oct 1st, 2013. The ObamaCare health insurance exchanges, or ObamaCare exchanges, are online marketplaces for health insurance. Americans can use their state’s “Affordable” Insurance Exchange (marketplace) to obtain coverage from competing private health care providers.
    And...

    Ted Cruz Wants You To Believe He's Legally Required To Sign Up For Obamacare. He's Not. | ThinkProgress

    The Affordable Care Act does not compel members of Congress to enroll in DC’s health care exchange; it simply cuts off the government contribution to their insurance plans if they buy their policies elsewhere. “The final rule extends a Government contribution towards health benefits plans for Members of Congress and designated congressional staff so long as the health benefits plans are purchased via the appropriate SHOP as determined by the Director,” a summary of the final rule says. “Nothing in the final rule or the law prevents a Member of Congress or designated congressional staff from declining a Government contribution for him or herself by choosing a different option for their health insurance coverage.

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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No. Congress is required to go through the exchanges.
    Really?



    https://www.opm.gov/retirement-servi...013/13-207.pdf

    Nothing in the final rule or the law prevents a Member of Congress or designated
    congressional staff from declining a Government contribution for him or herself by choosing a
    different option for their health insurance coverage.

    Because a Government contribution is, in essence, an employer contribution,the final rule
    clarifies that Members of Congress and designated congressional staff must enroll in an
    appropriate SHOP as determined by the Director in order to receive a Government contribution
    .

    So he is not required he can choose a different option, he just wouldn't get the government contribution. I guess he can sit down now.

    Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) took the Senate floor at 2:41 pm with a promise to speak out against Obamacare “until I am no longer able to stand.”


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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Maybe I'm mistaken, but couldn't Cruz forgo government insurance and buy private insurance for his family?
    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No. Congress is required to go through the exchanges.
    Ahh.
    The usual Wrong quipping from Jmotivator, despite the fact it's already been busted a few time by me. (COBRA etc)

    Hey, Righties, give him a few more likes for those empty wisecracks!


    Ted Cruz Wants You To Believe He’s Legally Required To Sign Up For Obamacare. He’s Not.

    BY IGOR VOLSKY
    MARCH 25, 2015 AT 11:50 AM
    Ted Cruz Wants You To Believe He's Legally Required To Sign Up For Obamacare. He's Not. | ThinkProgress

    Newly-minted presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) admitted that he would grudgingly sign up for health care coverage through the Affordable Care Act on Tuesday, just one day after announcing that he intends to repeal “every word of Obamacare” if elected president.
    Cruz framed the decision as one of inevitability.
    [........]
    “I believe we should follow the text of every law, even laws I disagree with,” Cruz said. “It’s one of the real differences — if you look at President Obama and the lawlessness, if he disagrees with a law he simply refuses to follow it or claims the authority to unilaterally change.”

    Cruz should consider the law more closely.

    The Affordable Care Act does Not compel members of Congress to enroll in DC’s health care exchange; it simply cuts off the Government Contribution to their insurance plans if they buy their policies elsewhere. “The final rule extends a Government contribution towards health benefits plans for Members of Congress and designated congressional staff so long as the health benefits plans are purchased via the appropriate SHOP as determined by the Director,” a summary of the final rule says. “Nothing in the final rule or the law prevents a Member of Congress or designated congressional staff from declining a Government contribution for him or herself by choosing a different option for their health insurance coverage.”

    In other words, Cruz “could purchase coverage in the outside market but would get no subsidy from the FEHBP program,”
    Tim Jost clarified for ThinkProgress, referring to the acronym for the federal health care program.

    “It seems like the primary other option he would have is to take advantage of COBRA through his wife, though he’d be forgoing the employer contribution. He could also buy non-group coverage,” Larry Levitt, Senior Vice President at the Kaiser Family Foundation, said.

    Cruz could also potentially purchased insurance through his presidential campaign’s presumptive health care insurance. In those instances, however, he would have had to give up his employer’s contribution and likely pay more for insurance than he is now being charged under Obamacare.

    DESPITE initially telling CNN’s Dana Bash that Cruz didn’t pursue other alternatives because “Obamacare has wiped out the individual market, leaving Cruz with few options,”
    his staff is now explaining to reporters that Cruz might skip the DC exchange and sign up for coverage in Texas, through that state’s federal exchange. “As it happens, Cruz appears likely to forego the 75% employer contribution he could get as a member of Congress and instead access Obamacare from Texas, which doesn’t have a state exchange,” The Daily Caller reports, adding, “That means Cruz would use HealthCare.gov to get health insurance, at the same time the Supreme Court is considering ruling taxpayer [subsidies] for federal exchange customers illegal.”


    So for probably a few hundred dollars a month more, he could maintain his integrity/Filibuster.
    My God Clowns, his wife works/worked at Goldman Sachs! (just on leave)
    Bonuses alone for mere secretaries are 30-50K there.


    How bout another Wisecrack with No Content JM.
    Your posts are a Disgrace to DP.
    But hey, they're partisan enough to get lotsa likes from the boards most loyal gang.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Does anyone else find it ironic when you see someone who keeps using sites like "Think Progress" while screeching about other posters and their sources being "partisan"?
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Isn't that only if he wants the employer subsidy? If he's declining the subsidy, I'm not sure why he can't go out and get a private family plan from Texas or wherever.
    Why would he decline employer funded insurance (aka "subsidy")?

    It isn't his fault his employer decided to make their insurance plan be part of the Exchanges that the law that they passed set up.
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    Re: Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Why would he decline employer funded insurance (aka "subsidy")?
    Because he believes that govt subsidized insurance is a form of theft and he doesn't want to be a thief

    Oh, waitaminnit!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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