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Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

SouthernDemocrat said:
Well most people personally like Obama and Clinton, as well as Reagan, Carter, Ford, and both Bushes. Sure some people hate them, but most people like them personally even if they don't like their policies. We hardly ever elect people we think are assholes. Basically you got Nixon and LBJ, but LBJ only because he was Kennedy's VP (another guy most people liked personally).
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That is because Bill Clinton is a sociopath that can charm people easily. Behind the curtain he is a complete and utter asshole that doesn't care for anyone or stand for anything besides himself. Obama is a narcissistic asshole that needs to surround himself with people that are inferior to him to make himself feel better. Obama doesn't care about anyone and while some people like him I don't imagine many people care for him at all.
 
Mycroft said:
Much as you'd like to think so, there really isn't. Nor is there any difference between healthcare and food, shelter, clothing, boats, fishing gear, etc.
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There is! It's simple ethics and morality, most people with a moral compass of any sort will see that.
 
Henrin said:
That is because Bill Clinton is a sociopath that can charm people easily. Behind the curtain he is a complete and utter asshole that doesn't care for anyone or stand for anything besides himself. Obama is a narcissistic asshole that needs to surround himself with people that are inferior to him to make himself feel better. Obama doesn't care about anyone and while some people like him I don't imagine many people care for him at all.
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Could say the same for any president, it's just a claim based on hatred.
 
Dovkan said:
Could say the same for any president, it's just a claim based on hatred.
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There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Bill Clinton is a sociopath, just like there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Obama is narcissistic and has low self esteem.
 
Mycroft said:
I haven't refused to address that.

You asked me about costs.
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Dovkan said:
Really? Look at all of the european countries with UHC, most are doing phenomenal.
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We're about the Only industrialized/OECD country that doesn't have UHC/Public care and we have about DOUBLE the cost of most everyone else, with Not near the best outcome.

(Chart from a 'Leftist' WSJ article)
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Henrin said:
There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Bill Clinton is a sociopath, just like there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Obama is narcissistic and has low self esteem.
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Oh yeah, you can find "evidence" for anything, but I agree clinton was pretty, err.. "sexual" if you know what I mean, but not a sociopath. Sociopath: a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Just going by his record Nixon was actually a pretty good president. Of course Watergate is all he's remembered for, and rightly so.
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I'm simply referring to his "asshole factor," such as it is. Nixon was paranoid to the point of psychosis.
 
Dovkan said:
There is! It's simple ethics and morality, most people with a moral compass of any sort will see that.
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YOUR ethics. YOUR morality. YOUR moral compass.

Do you wish to impose what YOU believe on everyone else...whether they agree with you or not?
 
mbig said:
We're about the Only industrialized/OECD country that doesn't have UHC/Public care and we have more than DOUBLE The cost of anyone else with Not near the best outcome.

(Chart from a 'Leftist' WSJ article)
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Was about to post that, actually. And look at our "quality of care" under the "private, unregulated free market healthcare system" when comparing to these countries with UHC. The ACA doesn't solve the main problem, but it's a tiny step towards something better.
 
Mycroft said:
YOUR ethics. YOUR morality. YOUR moral compass.

Do you wish to impose what YOU believe on everyone else...whether they agree with you or not?
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I think most human beings would agree that giving healthcare to everyone is moral, if we look worldwide.
 
mbig said:
We're about the Only industrialized/OECD country that doesn't have UHC/Public care and we have more than DOUBLE the cost of anyone else with Not near the best outcome.

(Chart from a 'Leftist' WSJ article)
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shrug...

The majority of our country's costs is the result of government interference in a free market. That's easy to correct.

What's not so easy to correct are those non-monetary costs I spoke of.
 
Dovkan said:
I think most human beings would agree that giving healthcare to everyone is moral, if we look worldwide.
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Which means nothing to me since I don't care about "worldwide".
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

The majority of our country's costs is the result of government interference in a free market. That's easy to correct.

What's not so easy to correct are those non-monetary costs I spoke of.
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LOL the costs were just as bad before the "intervention" into the free market. All of the countries listed have extreme government intervention in there healthcare, under your guise, and look at how amazing they are doing. What "non monetary costs"
 
Mycroft said:
Which means nothing to me since I don't care about "worldwide".
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Well, almost all of europe agrees, asia, south america.. I don't understand why America is so backwards on this.
 
Dovkan said:
Oh yeah, you can find "evidence" for anything, but I agree clinton was pretty, err.. "sexual" if you know what I mean, but not a sociopath. Sociopath: a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
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I'm not talking about his sexual behavior even though how responded to it when caught is telling.
 
Dovkan said:
Was about to post that, actually. And look at our "quality of care" under the "private, unregulated free market healthcare system" when comparing to these countries with UHC. The ACA doesn't solve the main problem, but it's a tiny step towards something better.
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We don't have a "private, unregulated free market healthcare system". Haven't had that animal for a long, long time.
 
Zyphlin said:
Oh really? Private insurance isn't regulated in various ways and mandated to follow/meet certain standards by the ACA? This is your stance?
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COBRA and private HI has nothing to do with ACA. Both been around long before ACA. You seem to be saying that because all HI policies now must cover pre-existing conditions they are all ACA policies? Nope.
 
Mycroft said:
We don't have a "private, unregulated free market healthcare system". Haven't had that animal for a long, long time.
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I'm talking about right before the ACA. When will people realize UHC works better than any private system we could have, the data doesn't lie.
 
Henrin said:
Well, I couldn't think of any republican asshole presidents off the top of my head. :3oops:
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:lamo

Then you don't consider multiple felonies by multiple Republican Presidents to be assholish behavior.
Not to mention lying us into Iraq 2--all the dead--and the tens of thousands of Wounded Warriors who have overloaded the VA through no fault of theirs.
Even assholes Cheney and Rumsfeld admit that ****-up .
 
Dovkan said:
What "non monetary costs"
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Go back a number of posts to the one I made that talks about them.

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I really don't know why I'm responding to you if you aren't even going to read what I post.
 
Henrin said:
I'm not talking about his sexual behavior even though how responded to it when caught is telling.
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Still don't see how that matches a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
 
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