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Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

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After Paris Hebdo attack, World leaders- mainly European’s, gathered together having a unity march. They knew it’s US’ intimidation to force them into a fake “war against terror”. In a rare show, they say “no” to the US. You may have noticed US was absent in that unity march. Now it's German's turn after French. Who is the black hand?

Do you think Lubitz preferring an eight minutes slow death journey or to have a quick death as a real suicider should do? He had no reaction to any interruption - knocking at door, scream of passengers..... He had steady breathing all the time - He was in deep sleep.

If they could install a sleep device in cockpit, what else they couldn't do? Remember they even could control the whole plane in MH370 by uninterruptible auto-pilot system, let alone a cabinet door.

Deep sleep?

He locked the door, set the autopilot to crash the plane and put on the oxygen mask and then fell asleep? And the captain is smashing at the door with a crowbar and the plane is screaming at him to 'pull up'...and he is asleep through ALL that?

I SEVERELY doubt he was sleeping - he was just insane and insane people tend to be very calm even while doing the most 'insane' things that most of us would find horrific.
 
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This version of the final moments of the Germanwings flight is confirmed by another element we recently obtained: the information from the “Cockpit Voice Recorder,” one of the A320’s two black boxes. This one recorded the sounds and conversations in the cockpit. Its contents were described in detail by a special investigator. Here is his account.
10:00 am
The airplane takes off.
10:10
The Captain says to Lubitz: “I didn’t have time to use the bathroom before taking off.” Lubitz: “Go whenever you’d like.”
10:27
The plane has reached cruising altitude: 38000 feet (11.500 meters)
The captain asks Lubitz to prepare the approach for landing and to verify that the plane can begin the landing process. Lubitz obeys. He repeats to the captain again: “You can go. You can go now.”
10:28
Noise can be heard coming from a seat: the captain removes his seatbelt. The door is opened. The captain says to Lubitz: “You are in control now.”
Lubitz answers with a seemingly light tone of voice: “I hope so.”
10:30
Lubitz is alone in the cockpit. He locks the armored door with the “Lock” button: it is no longer possible to open the door from the outside. The one can hear the sounds of the automatic pilot being reprogrammed to accelerate the descent, pushing the plane from 38,000 feet (11.000 meters) to 100 feet (30 meters) in a matter of minutes.
10:33
The landing begins: the plane drops 3000 feet (900 meters) per minute. Air traffic controllers detect the problem. They try several times to contact the airplane by radio. Lubitz does not respond.
The captain’s voice can be heard as he tries to open the door: “It’s me!” The captain is facing a camera connected to the cockpit: Lubitz sees him on screen but does not react. The captain grabs an oxygen tank or fire extinguisher in order to break down the door.No response from Lubitz. The captain yells: “For the love of God, open this door!”
10:34 approximately
A first alarm goes off, audible and visual: “SINK RATE, PULL UP.”
No reaction from Lubitz.
Through the cockpit door, the first sounds of passengers running in the aisles can be heard.
10:35
The captain asks for the crowbar hidden in the back of the plane. Louder bangs can be heard hitting the door, followed by metallic sounds. The captain tries to bend the door with the crowbar.
10:37 and several seconds
A second alarm is set off, audible and visual: “TERRAIN, PULL UP.” Still no reaction from Lubitz.
The captain yells: “Open this f… door!”
10:38
Despite the deafening noises, Lubitz’s breathing can cleary be heard through an oxygen mask he put on. He is breathing normally. The plane is at 13000 feet (4000 meters).
10:40
A violent sound can be heard outside. At the same time, inside, screaming. The Airbus hits the mountain with its right wing.
No other sound, save for the alarms and the screaming passengers.
10:41
The airplane hits the Estrop mountain range at 5000 feet (1500 meters) at 800 km/h.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...bly-authentic-video-germanwings-final-moments
 
Where is the Bremen Mosque?

Did Lubitz ever visit an Islamic Mosque?

Why did Lubitz break up with his apartment mate, girl friend?

Where did Lubitz get the money to buy two new Audi cars?

Did Lubitz own a Koran?


"All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of “radical”, ie. devout Muslims...

Why so quick to blame it on Muslims? Apart from the reason that that's the continuous spew of propaganda from Fox so-called news, etc.

" “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? ... Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims. Let’s give that a moment to sink in ... So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.

"As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs."

Are All Terrorists Muslims? It
 
Why has there been no follow up on the reports of fighter jets in the vicinity? In fact these reports have been buried.

"Witnesses have described hearing an explosion 'like the sound of dynamite' then seeing fighter jets fly past, suggesting the passenger plane had been under military escort"

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This whole thing stinks of a black op.
 
Why so quick to blame it on Muslims? Apart from the reason that that's the continuous spew of propaganda from Fox so-called news, etc.

" “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? ... Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims. Let’s give that a moment to sink in ... So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.

"As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs."

Are All Terrorists Muslims? It

In instances of attacks where more people are injured or killed, it is usually Muslims. Muslims contribute to the more spectacular attacks, for purposes of wider impact terrorism.

The passengers, crew and Captain did not respond to Lubitz as a depressed, suicidal person. They were more responding to Lubitz as a purposeful terrorist.

Perhaps the news of the Paris Terrorist attacks were fresh in their minds.

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This version of the final moments of the Germanwings flight is confirmed by another element we recently obtained: the information from the “Cockpit Voice Recorder,” one of the A320’s two black boxes. This one recorded the sounds and conversations in the cockpit. Its contents were described in detail by a special investigator. Here is his account.
10:00 am
The airplane takes off.
10:10
The Captain says to Lubitz: “I didn’t have time to use the bathroom before taking off.” Lubitz: “Go whenever you’d like.”
10:27
The plane has reached cruising altitude: 38000 feet (11.500 meters)
The captain asks Lubitz to prepare the approach for landing and to verify that the plane can begin the landing process. Lubitz obeys. He repeats to the captain again: “You can go. You can go now.”
10:28
Noise can be heard coming from a seat: the captain removes his seatbelt. The door is opened. The captain says to Lubitz: “You are in control now.”
Lubitz answers with a seemingly light tone of voice: “I hope so.”
10:30
Lubitz is alone in the cockpit. He locks the armored door with the “Lock” button: it is no longer possible to open the door from the outside. The one can hear the sounds of the automatic pilot being reprogrammed to accelerate the descent, pushing the plane from 38,000 feet (11.000 meters) to 100 feet (30 meters) in a matter of minutes.
10:33
The landing begins: the plane drops 3000 feet (900 meters) per minute. Air traffic controllers detect the problem. They try several times to contact the airplane by radio. Lubitz does not respond.
The captain’s voice can be heard as he tries to open the door: “It’s me!” The captain is facing a camera connected to the cockpit: Lubitz sees him on screen but does not react. The captain grabs an oxygen tank or fire extinguisher in order to break down the door.No response from Lubitz. The captain yells: “For the love of God, open this door!”
10:34 approximately
A first alarm goes off, audible and visual: “SINK RATE, PULL UP.”
No reaction from Lubitz.
Through the cockpit door, the first sounds of passengers running in the aisles can be heard.
10:35
The captain asks for the crowbar hidden in the back of the plane. Louder bangs can be heard hitting the door, followed by metallic sounds. The captain tries to bend the door with the crowbar.
10:37 and several seconds
A second alarm is set off, audible and visual: “TERRAIN, PULL UP.” Still no reaction from Lubitz.
The captain yells: “Open this f… door!”
10:38
Despite the deafening noises, Lubitz’s breathing can cleary be heard through an oxygen mask he put on. He is breathing normally. The plane is at 13000 feet (4000 meters).
10:40
A violent sound can be heard outside. At the same time, inside, screaming. The Airbus hits the mountain with its right wing.
No other sound, save for the alarms and the screaming passengers.
10:41
The airplane hits the Estrop mountain range at 5000 feet (1500 meters) at 800 km/h.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...bly-authentic-video-germanwings-final-moments

These are summary words. The account may be accurate, but there are assumptions that one or two passengers did not silently slip into the cockpit. Another passenger could have killed Lubitz quickly and silently, then pressed the 5 minute cockpit door time lock and programmed the altitude to 96 Feet. There is no way to identify the "breathing" sound as Lubitz, by the audio tape. The description assumes that no one else silently snuck into the cockpit.

What if the autopsy evidence indicates that Lubitz had been stabbed in the heart, had is throat slit, or been disabled/killed with Chloroform, or poison injection? If so, then the "breathing" sound on the CVR, Cockpit Voice Recorder, was someone else, not Lubitz.



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These are summary words. The account may be accurate, but there are assumptions that one or two passengers did not silently slip into the cockpit. Another passenger could have killed Lubitz quickly and silently, then pressed the 5 minute cockpit door time lock and programmed the altitude to 96 Feet. There is no way to identify the "breathing" sound as Lubitz, by the audio tape. The description assumes that no one else silently snuck into the cockpit.

What if the autopsy evidence indicates that Lubitz had been stabbed in the heart, had is throat slit, or been disabled/killed with Chloroform, or poison injection? If so, then the "breathing" sound on the CVR, Cockpit Voice Recorder, was someone else, not Lubitz.



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Oh come on now.

Someone silently snuck in?

The voice recorder can here the guy breathing normally, but not hear someone open the armoured door, walk in and kill Lubitz...then sit down?

That's ridiculous.
 
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How did one or two passengers slip into the cockpit when the pilot couldn't break down the locked door?
 
In instances of attacks where more people are injured or killed, it is usually Muslims. Muslims contribute to the more spectacular attacks, for purposes of wider impact terrorism.

The passengers, crew and Captain did not respond to Lubitz as a depressed, suicidal person. They were more responding to Lubitz as a purposeful terrorist.

Perhaps the news of the Paris Terrorist attacks were fresh in their minds.

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When your plane is being flown into the ground, I doubt you stop to consider if the pilot is depressed or a maniac. You just panic.

Those poor passengers, knowing that death is approaching and they can't stop it. Horrible.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/world/europe/germanwings-lufthansa-andreas-lubitz-black-box.html?_r=0

DÜSSELDORF, Germany — The co-pilot at the controls of the Germanwings airliner that crashed into the French Alps last week had been searching the Internet in the days leading up to the crash for information about how to commit suicide and the security measures for cockpit doors, prosecutors said here on Thursday.

Investigators found an iPad belonging to Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot, at his apartment in Düsseldorf that included his browser history from March 16 to March 23 — the day before the crash.

“During this time the user was searching for medical treatments, as well as informing himself about ways and possibilities of killing himself,” they said in a statement.

“On at least one day the person concerned also spent several minutes looking up search terms about cockpit doors and their safety measures,” the statement said.


Occam's razor - simplest explanation is the most likely. Sleep machines, Russians, etc - sounds like a Bond movie.

The co-pilot crashed the plane. Terrible act; we don't need conspiracy theories to muddy the waters.
 
The Airbus 320 is a fly-by-wire airplane. There is no direct control of the elevators, to push the plane into a dive. The elevator is controlled by computer programs. The fastest "Dive" had to take 8 minutes from 38,000 feet.

Could a passenger have snuck into the cockpit, while the Captain was in the bathroom? Could the intruder have rendered Lubitz unconscious, while the intruder reprogrammed the airliner for a crash?


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You are making up a story. If what you said are truth, the media would have bang the drum already. Or Lubitz could drive the plane to nearest high mountain, the wire wouldn't forbit him to turn round the plane, would it?
 
How did one or two passengers slip into the cockpit when the pilot couldn't break down the locked door?


The Captain leaves the cockpit at 10:28 AM. At 10:30 AM, apparently the door can be hear locking. That is 2 minutes for a passenger to enter, minimum. At 10:33 AM the captain is unable to open the cockpit door. So there may have been as much as 5 Minutes for a passenger to enter the cockpit, and silently dispatch Andreas, before locking the door.

Maybe not likely, but not definitively ruled out yet. More evidence may be forthcoming. The Internet research by Andreas on cockpit doors seems to contradict a passenger involvement.

If the passengers, Captain and crew understood that Lubitz was in the process of suicide, at the beginning of the 8 Minute descent, what might they have done to avert a suicide/murder?


"10:28
Noise can be heard coming from a seat: the captain removes his seatbelt. The door is opened. The captain says to Lubitz: “You are in control now.”
Lubitz answers with a seemingly light tone of voice: “I hope so.”
10:30
Lubitz is alone in the cockpit. He locks the armored door with the “Lock” button: it is no longer possible to open the door from the outside. The one can hear the sounds of the automatic pilot being reprogrammed to accelerate the descent, pushing the plane from 38,000 feet (11.000 meters) to 100 feet (30 meters) in a matter of minutes.
10:33
The landing begins: the plane drops 3000 feet (900 meters) per minute. Air traffic controllers detect the problem. They try several times to contact the airplane by radio. Lubitz does not respond.
The captain’s voice can be heard as he tries to open the door: “It’s me!” The captain is facing a camera connected to the cockpit: Lubitz sees him on screen but does not react. The captain grabs an oxygen tank or fire extinguisher in order to break down the door.No response from Lubitz. The captain yells: “For the love of God, open this door!”

http://abcnews.go.com/International...rched-cockpit-door-security/story?id=30062891


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You are making up a story. If what you said are truth, the media would have bang the drum already. Or Lubitz could drive the plane to nearest high mountain, the wire wouldn't forbit him to turn round the plane, would it?

"In contrast with the flight control system installed on conventional aircraft, the Airbus A320 is fitted with a fly-by-wire flight control system. This means that the mechanical linkage between control column and control surface has been replaced by electrical wires. Just like the Boeing 737, the Airbus A320 flight controls are divided into primary and secondary flight controls. Both the primary and secondary flight controls are controlled by a total of 7 computers. The primary flight controls fitted on the aircraft are controlled by sidestick inputs and digital processing by the Elevator Aileron Computer (ELAC), the Spoiler Elevator Computer (SEC) and Flight Augmentation Computer (FAC). When the primary flight controls on the Airbus A320 are being operated, electrical signals from the sidestick or Flight Management and Guidance System (FMGS) are send to the flight control computers before being passed to the flight control hydraulic actuator. "

Airbus A320 Primary Flight Controls - DutchOps.com Powered


The pilots have no direct control over the elevators or rudders. The pilots only have "Gamesticks" which input commands to the computers. The computers ascertain how fast the plane is descending and only let the plane descend about 3000 feet per minute.

"In March 2006 the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) certified a modified control software enhancement to the Airbus A318 designed to allow the aircraft to perform steep approaches.[13] The aircraft is the largest commercial aircraft certified by EASA for steep approach operations.[4] The software modifies the control laws of the aircraft when the steep approach function is selected by the crew, by automatically deploying some of the spoiler panels to provide additional drag when the aircraft is in the landing configuration.[13] It also provides alternative aural alerts to the crew and modifies spoiler deployment automatically below 120 feet (37 m) on landing.[13] The A318 steep approach procedure allows the aircraft to perform approaches at descent angles of up to 5.5°, as opposed to the standard 3° for a normal approach.[4"


Airbus A318 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





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"The picture of Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz’ troubled state of mind grows more complex with the revelation, reported by International Business Times, that investigators have discovered that Lubitz “trawled the dark side of the web visiting, among other things, sites containing gay porn, suicide themes and sexual perversions.”

This sheds new light on a seemingly minor detail from early reports: other pilots teased Lubitz by calling him “Tomato Andy” because he worked as a flight attendant before becoming a pilot. According to IBT, this was not merely an insulting reference to the food and beverage duties of a flight attendant; “Tomato” is an anti-gay slur in Germany, “based on the fact that while a tomato is thought to be a vegetable, it is really a fruit.”

The report also says officials discovered a diary in the co-pilot’s Dusseldorf apartment, in which he “wrote of his fears that he would be ‘found out’ and lose his job.” This is evidently a reference to his medical problems, judging by the direct quote from the diary provided by IBT: “I have too much work and I am not able to do my job properly.”

Report: Germanwings Co-Pilot Surfed Gay Porn and Suicide Websites Before Crash - Breitbart
 
Lubitz answers with a seemingly light tone of voice: “I hope so.”
10:30
Lubitz is alone in the cockpit. He locks the armored door with the “Lock” button: it is no longer possible to open the door from the outside. The one can hear the sounds of the automatic pilot being reprogrammed to accelerate the descent, pushing the plane from 38,000 feet (11.000 meters) to 100 feet (30 meters) in a matter of minutes.
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Make up a story like it was real. Was there a video tell you so? What sound it is to show it was automatic pilot to descend the plane?
 
Make up a story like it was real. Was there a video tell you so? What sound it is to show it was automatic pilot to descend the plane?

The transponder data is recorded by Air Traffic Controllers, periodically as the airplane transmits the altitude of the plane. The air traffic controllers probably write down the altitude of the flight every so often, but either way, the Air Traffic Controllers can look at the transponder reading, and could see that the A 320 was losing altitude. The Air Traffic controllers could not have know why the A 320 was losing altitude, but it was easy to see. The radar on other nearby planes can also read the transponder information, which includes the altitude of the plane.


"32 p.m. ET: Transponder data shows that the autopilot on Germanwings Flight 9525 was reprogrammed by someone in the cockpit to change the plane’s altitude from 38,000 feet to 100 feet, according to Flightradar24, a website that tracks aviation data.

Transponder data shows that the autopilot was reprogrammed during the flight by someone inside the cockpit to change the plane’s altitude from 38,000 feet to 100 feet, according to Flightradar24, a website that tracks aviation data.




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Make up a story like it was real. Was there a video tell you so? What sound it is to show it was automatic pilot to descend the plane?

Most airliners only transmit the altitude from their transponders. The Air Traffic Controller sees the altitude read-out on the radar screen, with an enhanced blip of the airliner location, when the transponder is turned on.

Apparently, for the A320 transponder, there is also a transmission of the intended set altitude, in addition to the actual attitude. Flightradar24 is a website that records transponder info from airliners. FlightRadar24 reported that the information transmitted by the A9525 transponder included the info that the target altitude had been changed.


"Transponder data shows that the autopilot on Germanwings Flight 9525 was reprogrammed by someone in the cockpit to change the plane's altitude from 38,000 feet to 100 feet, according to Flightradar24, a website that tracks aviation data."

"It's unknown whether Lubitz planned his actions, Robin said. But he "took advantage" of a moment in which the pilot left the cockpit and "activated the descent," which can only be done deliberately.

"New details released Thursday appeared to support the startling revelation that someone set the plane on a crash course.

Transponder data shows that the autopilot was reprogrammed during the flight by someone inside the cockpit to change the plane's altitude from 38,000 feet to 100 feet, according to Flightradar24, a website that tracks aviation data."

Germanwings plane crash: Co-pilot acted deliberately - CNN.com


The sound heard on the Cockpit Voice Recorder, when the target Altitude setpoint was changed from 38,000 to 96 Feet, was a soft clicking sound of fingers on a keypad.

There was a plan to introduce a program into the A320, that would override the pilot's instructions, if a crash with the ground were imminent, the plane would pull up to a safe altitude. This program has not been introduced. Search: "Terrain Avoidance Systems"



" The technology exists to physically take command away from a pilot to save an aircraft from imminent collision with the ground and is in operation with the U.S. Air Force.

Developed by NASA, the Air Force and Lockheed Martin, the Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System (Auto-GCAS), entered service in September 2014 and is already credited with saving at least two F-16s and their crews. A similar automated GCAS system has also been developed by Saab for the JAS-39 Gripen fighter."

http://aviationweek.com/technology/...-collision-avoidance-systems-could-save-lives





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Make up a story like it was real. Was there a video tell you so? What sound it is to show it was automatic pilot to descend the plane?

With the Flight Data Recorder Black Box found, (FDR), there is no need to conjecture on the changing of the setting of the target altitude.


"Initial tests on the flight data recorder recovered from downed Germanwings Flight 9525 show that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz purposely used the controls to speed up the plane's descent, according to the French air accident investigation agency, the BEA.

"The initial readout shows that the pilot present in the cockpit used the autopilot to put the (airplane) into a descent towards an altitude of 100 (feet) then, on several occasions during the descent, the pilot modified the autopilot setting to increase the speed of the (airplane) in descent," it said."

Black box shows co-pilot Lubitz sped up plane's descent - CNN.com




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With the Flight Data Recorder Black Box found, (FDR), there is no need to conjecture on the changing of the setting of the target altitude.


"Initial tests on the flight data recorder recovered from downed Germanwings Flight 9525 show that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz purposely used the controls to speed up the plane's descent, according to the French air accident investigation agency, the BEA.

"The initial readout shows that the pilot present in the cockpit used the autopilot to put the (airplane) into a descent towards an altitude of 100 (feet) then, on several occasions during the descent, the pilot modified the autopilot setting to increase the speed of the (airplane) in descent," it said."

Black box shows co-pilot Lubitz sped up plane's descent - CNN.com


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You are very efficient to get information from your source. As eager as the media to "find" every bit that Lubitz intended to suicide and murder. I just read a comment.

Re: MH17 - False flag unravels badly
by Ro Ri » Thu Apr 02,

The French analyzed and made public the voice recorder evidence from the doomed Germanwings flight in 2 days. But the British have had the voice and flight recorders for MH-17 nearly a year after but nothing is forthcoming!
How can that be?

Asia Times Online Forums • View topic - MH17 - False flag unravels badly

When a wolf wants to eat a lamb, it always find a justification.
 
Although many Americans are understandably ignorant of it, the MH17 false flag unraveled badly almost since Day One.

The False Flag That Failed, as the west tried to frame Russia.
 
The Airbus 320 is a fly-by-wire airplane. There is no direct control of the elevators, to push the plane into a dive. The elevator is controlled by computer programs. The fastest "Dive" had to take 8 minutes from 38,000 feet.

Could a passenger have snuck into the cockpit, while the Captain was in the bathroom? Could the intruder have rendered Lubitz unconscious, while the intruder reprogrammed the airliner for a crash?


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CVR would have provided evidence of this.
 
Make up a story like it was real. Was there a video tell you so? What sound it is to show it was automatic pilot to descend the plane?

And what video proof do you have for any of your theories?
 
Although many Americans are understandably ignorant of it, the MH17 false flag unraveled badly almost since Day One.

The False Flag That Failed, as the west tried to frame Russia.

Once again you jump to blame the USA CT theory based on nothing more than ideological hate and mistrust of govt.
Maybe one day you will try to actually use evidence to come to your conclusions, you know like rational people.
 
Although many Americans are understandably ignorant of it, the MH17 false flag unraveled badly almost since Day One.

The False Flag That Failed, as the west tried to frame Russia.



"Russia and the rebels have denied the allegation, instead blaming the Ukrainian government for the attack. Russia is playing no role in the criminal investigation.

Intercepted conversation

At a news conference in Rotterdam on Friday, Fred Westerbeke, chief prosecutor for the Dutch national prosecution service, said that the investigation was particularly interested in the origin of 25 pieces of iron, drawn from 500 samples.

"The most likely scenario was that the plane was shot down from the ground," he said.

"If we can establish that this iron is coming from such a missile, that is important information of course," he said. "At this moment we don't know that, but that is what we are investigating."




"Patricia Zorko, of the Dutch national police, said the investigation was also examining the recording of an intercepted conversation discussing the missile attack.

"The conversation is between rebels who allegedly shot down the plane, but we really need to authenticate it," she said.

A Dutch safety board report said this week that the plane appeared to have been struck by a number of small fragments - again supporting the theory that a surface-to-air missile was involved.

The report ruled out mechanical failure or pilot error."

MH17 crash: Investigation focuses on '25 metal shards' - BBC News


"Reuters) - Investigators trying to find out who shot down Malaysia Airlines MH17 over eastern Ukraine have recovered 25 pieces of metal from baggage and bodies, which could lead them to the missile believed to have torn apart the airliner.

Dutch prosecution service chief Fred Westerbeke, who is leading the international inquiry into the July 17 disaster, said the investigation was focusing on the theory that a surface-to-air missile had been used to shoot the plane down.

The Dutch Safety Board reported on Tuesday that the aircraft appeared to have broken apart due to the impact of a large number of fragments, a conclusion that supported the theory that it had been shot down by a ground-based missile.

"Patricia Zorko, who is leading a team of more than 100 Dutch police working alongside Australian and Malaysian investigators, said they remained extremely keen to get to the site.

But she said an appeal to the public in Russian, Ukrainian and English had resulted in 20,000 photos and 750 videos being provided to prosecutors.

One key clue is a telephone tap, believed to be of Ukrainian separatists discussing the plane's downing, which is also being examined for authenticity, Zorko said."

Dutch hope metal shards will lead them to missile that hit MH17 | Reuters

English at bottom:

https://www.politie.nl/themas/flight-mh17.html


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