Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

[Thoreau72]

Was there some message Andreas Lubitz was trying to send with this mass murder by airliner?

Often, mass murderers just feel resentment toward society, or certain numbers of people in society.

Bin Laden stated that he did 9-11 to call attention to the plight of the Palestinian people.



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If you still believe that OBL pulled off 911, you might be living under a rock. eace

Lubitz was being treated by psychiatrists and hid that information from his employer. I'm curious as to which psychoactive medications he was taking, and how old he was when first treated.

 

[Gladiator]

If you still believe that OBL pulled off 911, you might be living under a rock. eace

Lubitz was being treated by psychiatrists and hid that information from his employer. I'm curious as to which psychoactive medications he was taking, and how old he was when first treated.

Osama Bin Laden may have had some help with 9-11. OBL himself was surprised at how his airliners brought down three towers. OBL was an experienced architect, and he said his own preliminary calculations did not indicate so much damage. Others who may have assisted in the destruction of the World Towers, may have had goals other than, to assist the Palestinians. Did OBL ever figure out who else helped him with 9-11, and why?

What is of interest to me about medications, is what meds did he stop taking, within the last 6 months. Psychiatry does not recognize, or at least glosses over, the come-down period, of withdrawal days, weeks, or months, as a period of effect of the drug. The readjustment period, after stopping taking some prescription medications, is challenging for some individuals, for weeks or months. Many multiple murders by depressed individuals have been committed after the individual discontinued the meds. I have heard of effects up to 3 Months after stopping taking an Anti-Depressant.

If pharmaceutical companies funded studies on withdrawal problems, could more counseling be justified to help depressed individuals during withdrawal?



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[Gladiator]

Maybe my sense of empathy is overdeveloped so I have a hard time understanding people who lack it. :shrug:

Did the Captain try to use an Axe to break the Locked cockpit door?

"However, Bild reported on Friday that the captain also tried to use an axe to break down the cockpit's armoured door.

This could not be immediately confirmed, but a spokesman for Germanwings confirmed to the AFP news agency that an axe was on board the aircraft.

Such a tool is "part of the safety equipment of an A320," the spokesman told Bild.

Several airlines responded to the crash by immediately changing their rules to require a second crew member to be in the cockpit at all times. That is already compulsory in the United States but not in Europe."

Report: Germanwings co-pilot sought psychiatric help - Al Jazeera English






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[katsung47]

I think it’s a case similar to the missing Malaysia airliner MH370, the shooting down of MH17. It’s a push on German to join a war with Russia in Ukraine. We could see the same push on French in Paris Hebdo attack recently.

 

[Gladiator]

I think it’s a case similar to the missing Malaysia airliner MH370, the shooting down of MH17. It’s a push on German to join a war with Russia in Ukraine. We could see the same push on French in Paris Hebdo attack recently.

So the change that Lubitz was talking about making, when he was to become famous, will be that Germany will join the war to help Ukraine to fight off Russian aggression, because of his clever actions?

Did the Blonde lady from Burger King know that Andreas was dating other women, during their time together? Was the Blonde lady OK with an open marriage?

Maybe as a flight attendant, Lubitz felt one of the flight attendants should be up in the cockpit during pilot breaks. Maybe Lubitz felt he was unfairly denied time in the cockpit, as a flight attendant. The only change I see from Lubitz crashing the plane in France, is the two person minimum in the cockpit, for Europe, as it has been in the US.

What else did he change?

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[Gladiator]

No. Would a student dreaming about a class or a test make her unfit to be a student? Would a daycare worker who dreams about a daycare be unfit to work at a daycare? Would a firefighter dreaming about a fire make him unfit?

"The girlfriend of killer co-pilot Andreas Lubitz may be pregnant with his child.

Kathrin Goldbach, 26, whom he once planned to marry, discovered that she was expecting a baby as little as two weeks ago, German media reported.

The pair, who are said to have had a patchy relationship over the last seven years, were letting the pregnancy news sink in when Lubitz crashed a Germanwings flight into the French Alps, according to German newspaper


Read more: Is Germanwing's Andreas Lubitz's ex-girlfriend Kathrin Goldbach pregnant? | Daily Mail Online
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" news comes as it was suggested that Miss Goldbach broke off her relationship with Lubitz because his erratic personality left her fearing for her safety, the newspaper reported.

One friend said: ‘He tried to order her what to wear, what men she could speak to, even the length of her skirts. He was a control freak of the highest order.’

Another friend added: ‘She said he was very kind and attentive, but that he had problems with mood swings. And I think we sensed that she became more fearful over time.’

It claimed that Miss Goldbach lost patience with Lubitz's increasingly unpredictable and controlling behaviour just weeks before he downed the Germanwings Flight 4U9525.

Miss Goldbach still lived with Lubitz, 27, at the time of his death, but it is understood she waslooking for another place to live.

German media also reported that Lubitz was having a five-month fling with a Germanwings stewardess named as Maria.

‘He was always seeking assurances about the way he looked and the way he was viewed by others,’ Maria said.


Read more: Is Germanwing's Andreas Lubitz's ex-girlfriend Kathrin Goldbach pregnant? | Daily Mail Online
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Is Germanwing's Andreas Lubitz's ex-girlfriend Kathrin Goldbach pregnant? | Daily Mail Online

 

[Declan]

Did the Captain try to use an Axe to break the Locked cockpit door?

"However, Bild reported on Friday that the captain also tried to use an axe to break down the cockpit's armoured door.

This could not be immediately confirmed, but a spokesman for Germanwings confirmed to the AFP news agency that an axe was on board the aircraft.

Such a tool is "part of the safety equipment of an A320," the spokesman told Bild.

Several airlines responded to the crash by immediately changing their rules to require a second crew member to be in the cockpit at all times. That is already compulsory in the United States but not in Europe."

Report: Germanwings co-pilot sought psychiatric help - Al Jazeera English






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I believe the fire axe is almost always kept inside the cockpit, so I am skeptical this will prove true, especially since they said there was nothing on the voice recorder for the last ten minutes other than breathing.

 

[Gladiator]

I believe the fire axe is almost always kept inside the cockpit, so I am skeptical this will prove true, especially since they said there was nothing on the voice recorder for the last ten minutes other than breathing.

In addition to Lubitz breathing, the pilot could be heard to be banging on the door, and commanding Lubitz to "Open the Damn Door!" Whether the banging on the cockpit door was with an Axe, or just fists, or shoulder, probably takes further analysis.

Did the Captain ask other passengers for help to get through the cockpit door?


"Reports emerged that police searching the pilot's flat had found a 'small mountain of pills' and he had apparently been refusing to take his antidepressants medication.

There were also claims that officers recovered Lubitz's diary, in which he allegedly wrote that he expected to be 'found out' and lose his job over health issues.

Miss Goldbach still lived with Lubitz, 27, but it is understood she was on the lookout for a flat after being driven away by his need to be in charge. He even tried to tell her what to wear, friends said.

While outwardly confident, his hidden insecurity demanded constant attention – which led him to betray Kathrin with a five-month fling with a Germanwings stewardess conducted in cheap hotels.

But she, too, is believed to have ended her relationship after growing fearful of the 'tormented and erratic' Lubitz......


"Yesterday, it was revealed that Lubitz was living 'on the edge' because he feared that his deteriorating blurred vision would cost him his pilot's licence."


Killer pilot Andreas Lubitz planned to marry teacher girlfriend but she broke off relationship just weeks before Alps crash - as police find 'small mountain of anti-depressants' in his flat* - EthioScoop.com

 

[Declan]

"Reports emerged that police searching the pilot's flat had found a 'small mountain of pills' and he had apparently been refusing to take his antidepressants medication.

There were also claims that officers recovered Lubitz's diary, in which he allegedly wrote that he expected to be 'found out' and lose his job over health issues.

Miss Goldbach still lived with Lubitz, 27, but it is understood she was on the lookout for a flat after being driven away by his need to be in charge. He even tried to tell her what to wear, friends said.

While outwardly confident, his hidden insecurity demanded constant attention – which led him to betray Kathrin with a five-month fling with a Germanwings stewardess conducted in cheap hotels.



But she, too, is believed to have ended her relationship after growing fearful of the 'tormented and erratic' Lubitz."


Killer pilot Andreas Lubitz planned to marry teacher girlfriend but she broke off relationship just weeks before Alps crash - as police find 'small mountain of anti-depressants' in his flat* - EthioScoop.com

Has nothing to do with my comment on the fire axe location, but okay, there will be a lady possibly looking to get an abortion in the near future.

 

[paddymcdougall]

Did the Captain ask other passengers for help to get through the cockpit door?

That he couldn't get thru the door is a good thing in terms of anti-terrorism. We don't want a group of terrorists to be able to break through the door.

In this case, the problem was that there was only one person in the cockpit. Sadly, Europe made the wrong decision on that. Of course, even if there had been a second person, they might have been overpowered anyway.

 

[katsung47]

So the change that Lubitz was talking about making, when he was to become famous, will be that Germany will join the war to help Ukraine to fight off Russian aggression, because of his clever actions?

Did the Blonde lady from Burger King know that Andreas was dating other women, during their time together? Was the Blonde lady OK with an open marriage?

Maybe as a flight attendant, Lubitz felt one of the flight attendants should be up in the cockpit during pilot breaks. Maybe Lubitz felt he was unfairly denied time in the cockpit, as a flight attendant. The only change I see from Lubitz crashing the plane in France, is the two person minimum in the cockpit, for Europe, as it has been in the US.

What else did he change?

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Lubitz has no ability to create Paris Hebdo attack and MH370 and MH17 cases as well. He was just a scapegoat in this case.

890. Germanwings airliner crash was a plot (3/29/2015)

I think Germanwings airline crash was similar to recent airplane accidents – MH370, MH17. It was done by a big black hand. The purpose is to intimidate German to join war against Russia in Ukraine. France was warned too – that was Paris Hebdo “terror attack”. Now it’s German’s turn.

In disappearance case of MH370, I allege they used Uninterruptible autopilot system. (see #825, 826, 830, 832, 835, 851) In this case, they used EM sleep wave.

Co-pilot Lubitz was in forced asleep and couldn’t react to any outside world’s noise.

Who was Andreas Lubitz, Germanwings co-pilot blamed for crash?

By Diana Magnay, Ashley Fantz and Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN
, Fri March 27, 2015

The only sound the recorder picked up from Lubitz as the Airbus A320 went down, Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said, was the co-pilot's steady breathing.

Andreas Lubitz, Germanwings co-pilot hid illness, prosecutor says - CNN.com

I had a lot of experience with that mandated sleep wave. It was a “sudden, irresistible sleepiness”. I couldn’t wake up even if there was a severe headache. (Headache was caused by a separate EM microwave ray shooting, sleep wave only force people to go asleep) I wrote about this 13 years ago. See “12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1)” to # 16. EM sleep wave

“Steady breathing” may well explain Rubitz was in deep sleep. Air-controller’s communication, knock at cabinet door, passengers’ scream, none could interrupt him. As for the locked door, if someone could install sleep device in cockpit, they could do similar work as well.

 

[Gladiator]

Lubitz has no ability to create Paris Hebdo attack and MH370 and MH17 cases as well. He was just a scapegoat in this case.

890. Germanwings airliner crash was a plot (3/29/2015)

I think Germanwings airline crash was similar to recent airplane accidents – MH370, MH17. It was done by a big black hand. The purpose is to intimidate German to join war against Russia in Ukraine. France was warned too – that was Paris Hebdo “terror attack”. Now it’s German’s turn.

In disappearance case of MH370, I allege they used Uninterruptible autopilot system. (see #825, 826, 830, 832, 835, 851) In this case, they used EM sleep wave.

Co-pilot Lubitz was in forced asleep and couldn’t react to any outside world’s noise.



I had a lot of experience with that mandated sleep wave. It was a “sudden, irresistible sleepiness”. I couldn’t wake up even if there was a severe headache. (Headache was caused by a separate EM microwave ray shooting, sleep wave only force people to go asleep) I wrote about this 13 years ago. See “12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1)” to # 16. EM sleep wave

“Steady breathing” may well explain Rubitz was in deep sleep. Air-controller’s communication, knock at cabinet door, passengers’ scream, none could interrupt him. As for the locked door, if someone could install sleep device in cockpit, they could do similar work as well.

Who controls the Black Hand?

One problem with the Deep Sleep theory for GermanWings 9525 is that the descent took 8 to 10 Minutes. The cockpit door only locks for 5 Minutes, then the lock is released. Lubitz had to push the Lock Switch at least twice during the 10 Minute interval after the Captain left. So Lubitz could not have been in a deep sleep for 8 minutes.

From how far away, and through what walls or obstructions can the Sleep Wave penetrate?




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[paddymcdougall]

personally, I think the event was a tragedy. I don't think there was some deep conspiracy behind it that thought doing this would keep Germany from fighting Russia (at least, I think that's what those who think it was not the co-pilot think)

I don't think Russia is that "good" that it could pull something like this off.

Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is usually the true one.

 

[Chagos]

Wow, maybe this better be moved to conspiracies.

What's the matter with you people?

1)years ago Lubitz discontinued his training for an 11 month period because he was being treated for depression (can't be bothered to read every conspiracy post to see whether this has already been mentioned) and diagnosed as suicidal at the time.

2) In the period of the flight he was prohibited from work by a doctor's sick note which he tore up and did not report to his employers.

3) The authorities are (wisely) keeping mum about the actual cause right now, except to say that it was not related to his previous predicament.

That's ALL we know right now.

From time spent in Germany I know "Bild" to be something you don't even wipe your butt with, health contamination is a certainty (no wonder Faux was one of the first to cite that rag).

Assuming (and that's all that can be done right now) he did commit suicide, don't go kitchen psychology in looking for rationality in a suicidal. Some go quietly to the barn with a rope, some drive up the wrong side of the freeway. Some dunk the plane (and it wouldn't be the first time).

Whatever next? The Illuminati?

Jesus wept.

 

[Chagos]

................Occam's Razor ...............

Thank you!

 

[katsung47]

Who controls the Black Hand?

One problem with the Deep Sleep theory for GermanWings 9525 is that the descent took 8 to 10 Minutes. The cockpit door only locks for 5 Minutes, then the lock is released. Lubitz had to push the Lock Switch at least twice during the 10 Minute interval after the Captain left. So Lubitz could not have been in a deep sleep for 8 minutes.

From how far away, and through what walls or obstructions can the Sleep Wave penetrate?

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After Paris Hebdo attack, World leaders- mainly European’s, gathered together having a unity march. They knew it’s US’ intimidation to force them into a fake “war against terror”. In a rare show, they say “no” to the US. You may have noticed US was absent in that unity march. Now it's German's turn after French. Who is the black hand?

Do you think Lubitz preferring an eight minutes slow death journey or to have a quick death as a real suicider should do? He had no reaction to any interruption - knocking at door, scream of passengers..... He had steady breathing all the time - He was in deep sleep.

If they could install a sleep device in cockpit, what else they couldn't do? Remember they even could control the whole plane in MH370 by uninterruptible auto-pilot system, let alone a cabinet door.

 

[JoeTrumps]

wow. this made be sick to my stomach to read:



Cellphone video from inside Germanwings plane reportedly survived crash. Shows final moments.

The scene was so chaotic that it was hard to identify people, but the sounds of the screaming passengers made it perfectly clear that they were aware of what was about to happen to them. One can hear cries of “My God” in several languages. Metallic banging can also be heard more than three times, perhaps of the pilot trying to open the cockpit door with a heavy object. Towards the end, after a heavy shake, stronger than the others, the screaming intensifies. Then nothing.

Cellphone video recovered from Germanwings crash site

if that video ever becomes available I wouldn't watch it for a million dollars

 

[Thoreau72]

Lufthansa has admitted that it knew of his psychiatric problems. :shock:

 

[Medusa]

Wow, maybe this better be moved to conspiracies.

What's the matter with you people?

1)years ago Lubitz discontinued his training for an 11 month period because he was being treated for depression (can't be bothered to read every conspiracy post to see whether this has already been mentioned) and diagnosed as suicidal at the time.

2) In the period of the flight he was prohibited from work by a doctor's sick note which he tore up and did not report to his employers.

3) The authorities are (wisely) keeping mum about the actual cause right now, except to say that it was not related to his previous predicament.

That's ALL we know right now.

From time spent in Germany I know "Bild" to be something you don't even wipe your butt with, health contamination is a certainty (no wonder Faux was one of the first to cite that rag).

Assuming (and that's all that can be done right now) he did commit suicide, don't go kitchen psychology in looking for rationality in a suicidal. Some go quietly to the barn with a rope, some drive up the wrong side of the freeway. Some dunk the plane (and it wouldn't be the first time).

Whatever next? The Illuminati?

Jesus wept.

 

[Chagos]

You're telling me? (I know you are).

 

[Chagos]

After Paris Hebdo attack, World leaders- mainly European’s, gathered together having a unity march. They knew it’s US’ intimidation to force them into a fake “war against terror”. In a rare show, they say “no” to the US. You may have noticed US was absent in that unity march. Now it's German's turn after French. Who is the black hand?

Do you think Lubitz preferring an eight minutes slow death journey or to have a quick death as a real suicider should do? He had no reaction to any interruption - knocking at door, scream of passengers..... He had steady breathing all the time - He was in deep sleep.

If they could install a sleep device in cockpit, what else they couldn't do? Remember they even could control the whole plane in MH370 by uninterruptible auto-pilot system, let alone a cabinet door.

Depending on which way it's wired, I'd either take that tin foil hat off or put it on :lol:

 

[Deuce]

Who controls the Black Hand?

One problem with the Deep Sleep theory for GermanWings 9525 is that the descent took 8 to 10 Minutes. The cockpit door only locks for 5 Minutes, then the lock is released. Lubitz had to push the Lock Switch at least twice during the 10 Minute interval after the Captain left. So Lubitz could not have been in a deep sleep for 8 minutes.

From how far away, and through what walls or obstructions can the Sleep Wave penetrate?




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Listen, this guy has invented a vast worldwide conspiracy that is directly responsible for... pretty much any bad thing that happens to anything. It's all connected. And he seems to think it's connected to him.

Evidence can't change his mind. You can't reason someone out of an opinion they didn't reason themselves into.

 

[Gladiator]

Listen, this guy has invented a vast worldwide conspiracy that is directly responsible for... pretty much any bad thing that happens to anything. It's all connected. And he seems to think it's connected to him.

Evidence can't change his mind. You can't reason someone out of an opinion they didn't reason themselves into.

How did Andreas Lubitz get the nick name "Tomato Andy" as a Flight Attendant?

Were any of the Flight Attendants on board, who had worked as a flight attendant, with Tomato Andy?

Andreas could have turned off the transponder, before changing the altitude setting, but he left he transponder on. This gave Andreas more time before the Air Traffic Controllers would suspect a problem. Andreas could have changed the heading of the airliner, but he left the heading toward Dusseldorf. This also gave him more time, before Air Traffic controllers would be thinking something was wrong.


Theoretically, The cockpit door could have jammed in the closed position, and Andreas could have intended to reset the plane's altitude setting before getting too low. Maybe Andy was not fully committed to suicide, when he first pushed the cockpit door lock button, and reset the altitude.

But once the captain was knocking on the door, and the plane was descending, Andy probably knew he was fired. That was probably the point of no return.

Did Andy have plans to incapacitate the Captain, if the Captain were to enter the cockpit? What could Andy have used from the cockpit to dispatch the Captain? Had Andy brought a knife on board? A Plastic Box Cutter? What martial arts training did Andy have?

Maybe the Captain should have recruited some passengers to subdue Andy, and pull Andy out of the cockpit, before the Captain tried to enter the cockpit.


What suicide prevention training did the Captain or crew have? Nothing I have read in the news indicates that the Captain, or any other crew members knew they had a suicide on their hands, or tried intervention. Did the Air Traffic Controllers have any training in suicide prevention? Did any Air Traffic Controllers attempt any talking down for Andy?

News reports keep talking about possible revelations form the FDR, Flight Data Recorder. The plane was functioning perfectly. The FDR will not show anything of value, that I can think of. It would be surprising if Andreas had set the flaps, at the lower altitude, to slow the speed of impact.


This is one scenario where it would have been handy to have a parachute, and be able to deplane.




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[katsung47]

Who controls the Black Hand?

One problem with the Deep Sleep theory for GermanWings 9525 is that the descent took 8 to 10 Minutes. The cockpit door only locks for 5 Minutes, then the lock is released. Lubitz had to push the Lock Switch at least twice during the 10 Minute interval after the Captain left. So Lubitz could not have been in a deep sleep for 8 minutes.

From how far away, and through what walls or obstructions can the Sleep Wave penetrate?

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Your theory doesn't work. If Lubitz was seeking suicide, the best way for him was to dive the plane for a quick death. Do you think he enjoyed a slow eight minutes death with the pleasure to push the lock switch?

Sleep wave has field effect if you read my article. I wrot it 13 years ago.

 

[Gladiator]

Your theory doesn't work. If Lubitz was seeking suicide, the best way for him was to dive the plane for a quick death. Do you think he enjoyed a slow eight minutes death with the pleasure to push the lock switch?

Sleep wave has field effect if you read my article. I wrot it 13 years ago.

The Airbus 320 is a fly-by-wire airplane. There is no direct control of the elevators, to push the plane into a dive. The elevator is controlled by computer programs. The fastest "Dive" had to take 8 minutes from 38,000 feet.

Could a passenger have snuck into the cockpit, while the Captain was in the bathroom? Could the intruder have rendered Lubitz unconscious, while the intruder reprogrammed the airliner for a crash?


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