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Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

Where is the Bremen Mosque?

Did Lubitz ever visit an Islamic Mosque?

Why did Lubitz break up with his apartment mate, girl friend?

Where did Lubitz get the money to buy two new Audi cars?

Did Lubitz own a Koran?


"All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of “radical”, ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he – as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York – received his instructions directly from the immediate"

GERMAN NEWS REPORT: Co-Pilot of Germanwings Airbus Was MUSLIM CONVERT …’Hero of Islamic State’? | The Gateway Pundit


"We do know that Lubitz trained at the Lufthansa Flight Training School in Bremen, Germany.

Bremen is home to the Mosque Masjidu-l-Furqan Mosque:

This Mosque was raided by the police in December 2014

BERLIN, Dec 5 (KUNA) — German authorities have closed a mosque in the northern city of Bremen, after it was accused of encouraging youth to join the extremist Islamic State group (known as ISIL), which is carrying out violent killings across Syria and Iraq.

In unprecedented circumstances, more than 100 German police personnel carried out a search of Masjidu-l-Furqan and its accompanying cultural office, which had both been under police radar since 2007."




Israel Matzav: Gee, do you think this is relevant? Germanwings co-pilot reported to be a 'recent convert to Islam'






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"According to German daily Bild, Lubitz had been the recipient of a “specific and regular medical treatment” ever since his bout of depression in 2009.

He was on medication for an illness at the time of his death according to Fox news.

A website, Roman Catholic Imperialist.blogspot.com, claimed he was a convert who committed jihad. The report also claimed that Lubitz had a Muslim girlfriend, but it is unclear if she was still dating Lubitz at the time of the crash or if he met the woman through Muslims friends.

Other news media are reporting that Lubitz had broken off the relationship after he pledged to commit Jihad for Allah. They were supposed to marry next year."

BREAKING: German Media Site Says Germanwings Co-Pilot Was Muslim Convert



Is there a significance to the number "96", for Lubitz setting the altitude of the Airbus to 96 Feet?

Was Lubitz prepared to fight/disable the Captain, had the Pilot re-gained access to the cockpit?





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Where is the Bremen Mosque?

Did Lubitz ever visit an Islamic Mosque?

Why did Lubitz break up with his apartment mate, girl friend?


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This notion was based entirely on wild speculation. Literally "there was a mosque in the city where he lived and it had a history of extremism." Literally zero evidence that he ever went there or had any contact with any extremist group.
 
I think it's normal to instantly wonder in the aftermath of a tragedy such as this mass murder whether it was the work of terrorists. But it became clear fairly quickly that Lubitz was mentally ill and much sicker than his employers knew. His profile is quiet loner/blaze-of-glory.
 
I think it's normal to instantly wonder in the aftermath of a tragedy such as this mass murder whether it was the work of terrorists. But it became clear fairly quickly that Lubitz was mentally ill and much sicker than his employers knew. His profile is quiet loner/blaze-of-glory.

Apparently US has a rule that there are always two people in the cockpit at all times; Europe didn't have that rule, although they have now put it in place at least temporarily.

I am sorry the guy was depressed; but bringing down a plane isn't suicide, it's mass murder. Guess he was too depressed to see that.
 
I was reading up last night, and in some forms of depression, it's not just that you think your life is hopeless; you think everybody's is and so become detached from the reality that there are 149 individuals whose fates you should not hold in your hands.
 
I was reading up last night, and in some forms of depression, it's not just that you think your life is hopeless; you think everybody's is and so become detached from the reality that there are 149 individuals whose fates you should not hold in your hands.

Interesting.

You know, I've often thought that if an asteroid hits the earth and everyone dies - I'd be ok dying.

but I don't want to die tomorrow and have the world go on without me... I want to be there to see what happens.

Now I'm not depressed so I'm not going to try to kill everyone when I die. But guess I can see that perspective. If the world is so horrible, you're doing them a favor by killing them.

I really wish his treatment had worked better.

To any one who is depressed on this site: don't kill yourself. And if you do, ONLY kill yourself.
 
I think it's irresponsible and dangerous to pretend that terrorism is the biggest thing we should be concerned about in our day to day lives at the expense of common sense.

149 innocent people lost their lives because someone was more concerned about keeping terrorists out of the cockpit rather than having policies and procedures in place to ensure that those required to control the plane can actually get back in when the need arises. Procedures to ensure that there is never one person left in the cockpit alone should also have gone without saying.
 
Is there a significance to the number "96", for Lubitz setting the altitude of the Airbus to 96 Feet?
I doubt it. On the Mode Control Panel (MCP), ALTitude adjustments (ascent/descent) are made in discrete packets of 16 ft. It cannot be set to 0 ft. If you look at the MCP transponder data for flight #4U9525 below (bolded), you will notice that all ALTitude settings are divisible by 16.

09:30:52Z.386 MCP/FMC ALT: 38000 ft QNH: 1006.0 hPa
09:30:52Z.567 T,3c6618,43.122208,5.676482,38000,GWI18G
09:30:53Z.036 T,3c6618,43.122894,5.676993,38000,GWI18G
09:30:53Z.546 T,3c6618,43.124271,5.678166,38000,GWI18G
09:30:54Z.083 MCP/FMC ALT: 13008 ft QNH: 1006.0 hPa
09:30:54Z.096 T,3c6618,43.125295,5.678689,38000,GWI18G
09:30:54Z.676 T,3c6618,43.125961,5.679421,38000,GWI18G
09:30:55Z.156 T,3c6618,43.127157,5.680259,38000,GWI18G
09:30:55Z.397 MCP/FMC ALT: 96 ft QNH: 1006.0 hPa
 
If it is true that his girlfriend just broke up with him then this appears to be more broken heart syndrome than some Jihad. Little wimp decided the best way to get back at her was to crash a commercial jetliner and make her guilty for breaking up with him. What a poor excuse for an adult man. I hope there is a hell for his sake.
 
So What antidepressant medication had Libitz been taking?


"Fort Hood, Texas – April 2, 2014: Specialist Ivan Lopez opened fire at Fort Hood military base, killing three people and wounding 16 others before taking his own life. He had been prescribed Ambien, antidepressants and other medications to treat anxiety and depression and had also been examined by a psychiatrist within the month prior and was being evaluated for PTSD.
3.Washington, DC – September 17, 2013: Aaron Alexis, a Navy contractor, opened fire inside a building at the Washington Navy Yard, killing 12 and wounding eight others before he was killed by police. Alexis had received prescriptions from two Veterans Administration hospitals in August 2013 for the antidepressant Trazodone."

Other Murders/Murder-Suicides Committed by Individuals on Psychiatric Drugs | CCHR International

Is there an increased risk of suicide for some anti-depressant drugs?



"Results After controlling for age, sex, calendar time, and time from first antidepressant prescription to the onset of suicidal behavior, the relative risks for newly diagnosed nonfatal suicidal behavior in 555 cases and 2062 controls were 0.83 (95% confidence interval, [CI] 0.61-1.13) for amitriptyline, 1.16 (95% CI, 0.90-1.50) for fluoxetine, and 1.29 (95% CI, 0.97-1.70) for paroxetine compared with those using dothiepin. The RR for suicidal behavior among patients first prescribed an antidepressant within 1 to 9 days before their index date was 4.07 (95% CI, 2.89-5.74) compared with patients who were first prescribed an antidepressant 90 days or more before their index date. Time since first antidepressant prescription was not, however, a confounder of the relation between specific antidepressants and suicidal behavior since its relation to suicidal behavior was not materially different among users of the 4 study drugs. Similarly for fatal suicide, the RR among patients who were first prescribed an antidepressant within 1 to 9 days before their index date was 38.0 (95% CI, 6.2-231) compared with those who were first prescribed an antidepressant 90 days or more before their index date. There were no significant associations between the use of a particular study antidepressant and the risk of suicide.

Conclusions The risk of suicidal behavior after starting antidepressant treatment is similar among users of amitriptyline, fluoxetine, and paroxetine compared with the risk among users of dothiepin. The risk of suicidal behavior is increased in the first month after starting antidepressants, especially during the first 1 to 9 days. A possible small increase in risk (bordering statistical significance) among those starting the newest antidepressant, paroxetine, is of a magnitude that could readily be due to uncontrolled confounding by severity of depression. Based on limited information, we also conclude that there is no substantial difference in effect of the 4 drugs on people aged 10 to 19 years.
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In 1991 the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) held a public meeting to address widespread concerns that a recently marketed selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) antidepressant, fluoxetine (Prozac), was causing severe suicidal behaviors. Dozens of attendees related personal experiences that described such behavior in relatives and friends shortly after they had started taking fluoxetine for depression.1
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Subsequently, a meta-analysis of clinical trial data pooled from 17 double-blind studies conducted by Eli Lilly & Co, the marketer of fluoxetine, concluded that "data from these trials do not show that fluoxetine is associated with an increased risk of suicidal acts. . . ."2 The authors of 2 formal epidemiological studies on the relation of fluoxetine and suicidal behavior concluded that the findings indicated that the risk of such behavior in fluoxetine users was not materially different from that among users of certain other commonly prescribed antidepressant drugs.3,4"


JAMA Network | JAMA | Antidepressants and the Risk of Suicidal Behaviors






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Are Overall suicide rates reduce by anti-depressants?

"Background: The role of antidepressants in suicide prevention is a major public health question. An association was hypothesized between the increase in the use of non-tricyclic antidepressant medications in the United States and the decline in the suicide rate during the years 1985-1999. Method: The relationships between the suicide, antidepressant prescription, unemployment, and alcoholic beverage consumption rates were studied using generalized linear models. Suicide rates by antidepressant overdose were compared in selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) and tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs). Results: From 1985 to 1999, the suicide rate fell 13.5%, with a greater decline among women, and antidepressant prescription rates increased over 4-fold, with the increase mostly due to SSRIs. Prescription rates for SSRIs and other second-generation antidepressants were both inversely associated with suicide rates (p = .03 and p = .02, respectively). In a multivariable analysis adjusting for unemployment and alcoholic beverage consumption rates, SSRI antidepressant prescription rates remained inversely associated with the national suicide rate (p = .03). Females received twice as many antidepressant prescriptions compared with males. The commonest prescription indication was mood disorders, the condition most often associated with suicide. SSRIs were associated with a lower risk of suicide by antidepressant overdose compared with TCAs. Conclusion: The decline in the national suicide rate (1985-1999) appears to be associated with greater use of non-tricyclic antidepressants. Treatment of a greater proportion of mood disorders with SSRIs and other second-generation non-tricyclic antidepressants may further reduce the suicide rate. Controlled studies of the antisuicidal properties of antidepressants are needed in high-risk depressed patient populations. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2013 APA, all rights reserved)"

http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/2004-21440-003
 
I don't fancy conspiracy theories but I still believe that this might be a terrorist attack.
 
If it is true that his girlfriend just broke up with him then this appears to be more broken heart syndrome than some Jihad. Little wimp decided the best way to get back at her was to crash a commercial jetliner and make her guilty for breaking up with him. What a poor excuse for an adult man. I hope there is a hell for his sake.

I'm seeing a lot of people make some pretty harsh judgments and then immediately proclaiming a hope that this guy continues to suffer forever.

You know, like Jesus would want.


I think suicide would be less common if our society started seeing depression as a sickness instead of a flaw in the person suffering from it. Maybe then people wouldn't try to bottle it up and hide it away from the world. Maybe they'd get help before something tragic happens.

I don't fancy conspiracy theories but I still believe that this might be a terrorist attack.


Terrorists claim responsibility for their actions so that everyone knows it was them.
 
I'm seeing a lot of people make some pretty harsh judgments and then immediately proclaiming a hope that this guy continues to suffer forever.

You know, like Jesus would want.

How harsh was it for him to take the lives of the babies aboard who never had the opportunity to live more than a few months? No tears here, sorry, the cupboard is bare for a jack ass.

So he had some depression, big deal, there are people dealing with it everyday and I don't see them doing mass murders. Let him rot in hell.
 
How harsh was it for him to take the lives of the babies aboard who never had the opportunity to live more than a few months? No tears here, sorry, the cupboard is bare for a jack ass.

So he had some depression, big deal, there are people dealing with it everyday and I don't see them doing mass murders. Let him rot in hell.

Maybe my sense of empathy is overdeveloped so I have a hard time understanding people who lack it. :shrug:
 
How harsh was it for him to take the lives of the babies aboard who never had the opportunity to live more than a few months? No tears here, sorry, the cupboard is bare for a jack ass.

So he had some depression, big deal, there are people dealing with it everyday and I don't see them doing mass murders. Let him rot in hell.

Was there some message Andreas Lubitz was trying to send with this mass murder by airliner?

Often, mass murderers just feel resentment toward society, or certain numbers of people in society.

Bin Laden stated that he did 9-11 to call attention to the plight of the Palestinian people.



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Germanwings crash pilot planned big gesture: paper


'BERLIN: “One day I’ll do something that will change the system, and then everyone will know my name and remember it,” Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot suspected of deliberately crashing a passenger plane in the French Alps, told his girlfriend last year, the German daily Bild reported on Saturday.

The newspaper published an interview with a woman who said she had had a relationship in 2014 with Andreas Lubitz.

“When I heard about the crash, I remembered a sentence, over and over again, that he said,” the woman, a flight attendant of 26 named only as Maria W, told Bild. ”I didn’t know what he meant by that at the time, but now it’s obvious.”

“He did it because he realised that, due to his health problems, his big dream of working at Lufthansa, of a having job as a pilot, and as a pilot on long-distance flights, was nearly impossible.”



Germanwings crash pilot planned big gesture: paper - The Express Tribune
 
I'm seeing a lot of people make some pretty harsh judgments and then immediately proclaiming a hope that this guy continues to suffer forever.

You know, like Jesus would want.


I think suicide would be less common if our society started seeing depression as a sickness instead of a flaw in the person suffering from it. Maybe then people wouldn't try to bottle it up and hide it away from the world. Maybe they'd get help before something tragic happens.


Terrorists claim responsibility for their actions so that everyone knows it was them.

Thank you for the kind words; they are a timely reminder that this could have been OUR brother, father, uncle, son - depression is everywhere. It's a shame he didn't get the treatment he needed.

And no one is saying what he did was right; but harsh words will do no good right now.
 
Germanwings crash pilot planned big gesture: paper


'BERLIN: “One day I’ll do something that will change the system, and then everyone will know my name and remember it,” Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot suspected of deliberately crashing a passenger plane in the French Alps, told his girlfriend last year, the German daily Bild reported on Saturday.

The newspaper published an interview with a woman who said she had had a relationship in 2014 with Andreas Lubitz.

“When I heard about the crash, I remembered a sentence, over and over again, that he said,” the woman, a flight attendant of 26 named only as Maria W, told Bild. ”I didn’t know what he meant by that at the time, but now it’s obvious.”

“He did it because he realised that, due to his health problems, his big dream of working at Lufthansa, of a having job as a pilot, and as a pilot on long-distance flights, was nearly impossible.”



Germanwings crash pilot planned big gesture: paper - The Express Tribune

Next time, couldn't the perpetrator just send flowers? that's a big gesture.
 
Germanwings crash pilot planned big gesture: paper


'BERLIN: “One day I’ll do something that will change the system, and then everyone will know my name and remember it,” Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot suspected of deliberately crashing a passenger plane in the French Alps, told his girlfriend last year, the German daily Bild reported on Saturday.

The newspaper published an interview with a woman who said she had had a relationship in 2014 with Andreas Lubitz.

“When I heard about the crash, I remembered a sentence, over and over again, that he said,” the woman, a flight attendant of 26 named only as Maria W, told Bild. ”I didn’t know what he meant by that at the time, but now it’s obvious.”

“He did it because he realised that, due to his health problems, his big dream of working at Lufthansa, of a having job as a pilot, and as a pilot on long-distance flights, was nearly impossible.”



Germanwings crash pilot planned big gesture: paper - The Express Tribune


"According to Bild, the ex-girlfriend said Lubitz was a very nice and sensitive man who needed a lot of care and attention, and he was very troubled. She said he would get into fights with her.

The newspaper also cited the ex-girlfriend as saying that Lubitz had bad dreams that his plane was going down.


Relative names flight captain


Patrick Sondenheimer was the pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525, according to Reiner Sondenheimer of Dusseldorf, Germany, who says he is a relative of Patrick's.

Patrick Sondenheimer is the pilot believed to have been locked out of the cockpit by his co-pilot, Lubitz."


Reports: Antidepressants found at Andreas Lubitz home - CNN.com

What were the details of Lubitz dreams for an airliner going down?
Did Lubitz seek medication to alleviate the dreams of his plane going down?

Would having dreams of an airliner going down, make you unfit for work as a co-pilot?




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"The New York Post reported that the German newspaper Bild quoted an ex-girlfriend saying that Lubitz “would wake up in the middle of the night screaming, “We’re crashing!”

“When I heard about the crash, one thing that he said kept going through my head: ‘One day I’m going to do something that will change the whole system, and everyone will know my name and remember it.’ ” the woman told the paper, according to the Post.

“I didn’t know what he meant, but now it makes sense,” the woman added.


The Post also reported that French TV channel iTELE reported Lubitz and another girlfriend of seven years shared an apartment in Dusseldorf and planned to get married next year. However, the channel had said Lubtiz’s fiancée ended the relationship the day before the crash."

Germanwings co-pilot had dreams about plane crashing, report says | Fox News


Adds a few more details.


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Would having dreams of an airliner going down, make you unfit for work as a co-pilot?

No. Would a student dreaming about a class or a test make her unfit to be a student? Would a daycare worker who dreams about a daycare be unfit to work at a daycare? Would a firefighter dreaming about a fire make him unfit?
 
No. Would a student dreaming about a class or a test make her unfit to be a student? Would a daycare worker who dreams about a daycare be unfit to work at a daycare? Would a firefighter dreaming about a fire make him unfit?

If dreams made us unfit, I wouldn't be able to demo to our customers anymore!
 
No. Would a student dreaming about a class or a test make her unfit to be a student? Would a daycare worker who dreams about a daycare be unfit to work at a daycare? Would a firefighter dreaming about a fire make him unfit?

"authorities try to piece together what may have happened the day of the crash, “the picture emerging of Lubitz is one of a man haunted, whose ambition to fly brought him both pleasure and torment,” points out the Washington Post. In his home town, he was hardly seen as a memorable man. “He was inconspicuous, normal, nice,” said the pastor at the Luther Church in Montabaur who taught Lubitz’s confirmation class."


Andreas Lubitz: Germanwings co-pilot sought treatment for vision problems.


When was the last time Lubitz went to church?

Was Lubitz planning a church wedding in 2016?


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