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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

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    This version of the final moments of the Germanwings flight is confirmed by another element we recently obtained: the information from the “Cockpit Voice Recorder,” one of the A320’s two black boxes. This one recorded the sounds and conversations in the cockpit. Its contents were described in detail by a special investigator. Here is his account.
    10:00 am
    The airplane takes off.
    10:10
    The Captain says to Lubitz: “I didn’t have time to use the bathroom before taking off.” Lubitz: “Go whenever you’d like.”
    10:27
    The plane has reached cruising altitude: 38000 feet (11.500 meters)
    The captain asks Lubitz to prepare the approach for landing and to verify that the plane can begin the landing process. Lubitz obeys. He repeats to the captain again: “You can go. You can go now.”
    10:28
    Noise can be heard coming from a seat: the captain removes his seatbelt. The door is opened. The captain says to Lubitz: “You are in control now.”
    Lubitz answers with a seemingly light tone of voice: “I hope so.”
    10:30
    Lubitz is alone in the cockpit. He locks the armored door with the “Lock” button: it is no longer possible to open the door from the outside. The one can hear the sounds of the automatic pilot being reprogrammed to accelerate the descent, pushing the plane from 38,000 feet (11.000 meters) to 100 feet (30 meters) in a matter of minutes.
    10:33
    The landing begins: the plane drops 3000 feet (900 meters) per minute. Air traffic controllers detect the problem. They try several times to contact the airplane by radio. Lubitz does not respond.
    The captain’s voice can be heard as he tries to open the door: “It’s me!” The captain is facing a camera connected to the cockpit: Lubitz sees him on screen but does not react. The captain grabs an oxygen tank or fire extinguisher in order to break down the door.No response from Lubitz. The captain yells: “For the love of God, open this door!”
    10:34 approximately
    A first alarm goes off, audible and visual: “SINK RATE, PULL UP.”
    No reaction from Lubitz.
    Through the cockpit door, the first sounds of passengers running in the aisles can be heard.
    10:35
    The captain asks for the crowbar hidden in the back of the plane. Louder bangs can be heard hitting the door, followed by metallic sounds. The captain tries to bend the door with the crowbar.
    10:37 and several seconds
    A second alarm is set off, audible and visual: “TERRAIN, PULL UP.” Still no reaction from Lubitz.
    The captain yells: “Open this f… door!”
    10:38
    Despite the deafening noises, Lubitz’s breathing can cleary be heard through an oxygen mask he put on. He is breathing normally. The plane is at 13000 feet (4000 meters).
    10:40
    A violent sound can be heard outside. At the same time, inside, screaming. The Airbus hits the mountain with its right wing.
    No other sound, save for the alarms and the screaming passengers.
    10:41
    The airplane hits the Estrop mountain range at 5000 feet (1500 meters) at 800 km/h.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...-final-moments
    These are summary words. The account may be accurate, but there are assumptions that one or two passengers did not silently slip into the cockpit. Another passenger could have killed Lubitz quickly and silently, then pressed the 5 minute cockpit door time lock and programmed the altitude to 96 Feet. There is no way to identify the "breathing" sound as Lubitz, by the audio tape. The description assumes that no one else silently snuck into the cockpit.

    What if the autopsy evidence indicates that Lubitz had been stabbed in the heart, had is throat slit, or been disabled/killed with Chloroform, or poison injection? If so, then the "breathing" sound on the CVR, Cockpit Voice Recorder, was someone else, not Lubitz.



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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    These are summary words. The account may be accurate, but there are assumptions that one or two passengers did not silently slip into the cockpit. Another passenger could have killed Lubitz quickly and silently, then pressed the 5 minute cockpit door time lock and programmed the altitude to 96 Feet. There is no way to identify the "breathing" sound as Lubitz, by the audio tape. The description assumes that no one else silently snuck into the cockpit.

    What if the autopsy evidence indicates that Lubitz had been stabbed in the heart, had is throat slit, or been disabled/killed with Chloroform, or poison injection? If so, then the "breathing" sound on the CVR, Cockpit Voice Recorder, was someone else, not Lubitz.



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    Oh come on now.

    Someone silently snuck in?

    The voice recorder can here the guy breathing normally, but not hear someone open the armoured door, walk in and kill Lubitz...then sit down?

    That's ridiculous.
    Last edited by DA60; 04-02-15 at 03:57 AM.
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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    How did one or two passengers slip into the cockpit when the pilot couldn't break down the locked door?

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    In instances of attacks where more people are injured or killed, it is usually Muslims. Muslims contribute to the more spectacular attacks, for purposes of wider impact terrorism.

    The passengers, crew and Captain did not respond to Lubitz as a depressed, suicidal person. They were more responding to Lubitz as a purposeful terrorist.

    Perhaps the news of the Paris Terrorist attacks were fresh in their minds.

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    When your plane is being flown into the ground, I doubt you stop to consider if the pilot is depressed or a maniac. You just panic.

    Those poor passengers, knowing that death is approaching and they can't stop it. Horrible.

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/wo...-box.html?_r=0

    DÜSSELDORF, Germany — The co-pilot at the controls of the Germanwings airliner that crashed into the French Alps last week had been searching the Internet in the days leading up to the crash for information about how to commit suicide and the security measures for cockpit doors, prosecutors said here on Thursday.

    Investigators found an iPad belonging to Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot, at his apartment in Düsseldorf that included his browser history from March 16 to March 23 — the day before the crash.

    “During this time the user was searching for medical treatments, as well as informing himself about ways and possibilities of killing himself,” they said in a statement.

    “On at least one day the person concerned also spent several minutes looking up search terms about cockpit doors and their safety measures,” the statement said.

    Occam's razor - simplest explanation is the most likely. Sleep machines, Russians, etc - sounds like a Bond movie.

    The co-pilot crashed the plane. Terrible act; we don't need conspiracy theories to muddy the waters.

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    The Airbus 320 is a fly-by-wire airplane. There is no direct control of the elevators, to push the plane into a dive. The elevator is controlled by computer programs. The fastest "Dive" had to take 8 minutes from 38,000 feet.

    Could a passenger have snuck into the cockpit, while the Captain was in the bathroom? Could the intruder have rendered Lubitz unconscious, while the intruder reprogrammed the airliner for a crash?


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    You are making up a story. If what you said are truth, the media would have bang the drum already. Or Lubitz could drive the plane to nearest high mountain, the wire wouldn't forbit him to turn round the plane, would it?

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    How did one or two passengers slip into the cockpit when the pilot couldn't break down the locked door?

    The Captain leaves the cockpit at 10:28 AM. At 10:30 AM, apparently the door can be hear locking. That is 2 minutes for a passenger to enter, minimum. At 10:33 AM the captain is unable to open the cockpit door. So there may have been as much as 5 Minutes for a passenger to enter the cockpit, and silently dispatch Andreas, before locking the door.

    Maybe not likely, but not definitively ruled out yet. More evidence may be forthcoming. The Internet research by Andreas on cockpit doors seems to contradict a passenger involvement.

    If the passengers, Captain and crew understood that Lubitz was in the process of suicide, at the beginning of the 8 Minute descent, what might they have done to avert a suicide/murder?


    "10:28
    Noise can be heard coming from a seat: the captain removes his seatbelt. The door is opened. The captain says to Lubitz: “You are in control now.”
    Lubitz answers with a seemingly light tone of voice: “I hope so.”
    10:30
    Lubitz is alone in the cockpit. He locks the armored door with the “Lock” button: it is no longer possible to open the door from the outside. The one can hear the sounds of the automatic pilot being reprogrammed to accelerate the descent, pushing the plane from 38,000 feet (11.000 meters) to 100 feet (30 meters) in a matter of minutes.
    10:33
    The landing begins: the plane drops 3000 feet (900 meters) per minute. Air traffic controllers detect the problem. They try several times to contact the airplane by radio. Lubitz does not respond.
    The captain’s voice can be heard as he tries to open the door: “It’s me!” The captain is facing a camera connected to the cockpit: Lubitz sees him on screen but does not react. The captain grabs an oxygen tank or fire extinguisher in order to break down the door.No response from Lubitz. The captain yells: “For the love of God, open this door!”

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=30062891


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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    You are making up a story. If what you said are truth, the media would have bang the drum already. Or Lubitz could drive the plane to nearest high mountain, the wire wouldn't forbit him to turn round the plane, would it?
    "In contrast with the flight control system installed on conventional aircraft, the Airbus A320 is fitted with a fly-by-wire flight control system. This means that the mechanical linkage between control column and control surface has been replaced by electrical wires. Just like the Boeing 737, the Airbus A320 flight controls are divided into primary and secondary flight controls. Both the primary and secondary flight controls are controlled by a total of 7 computers. The primary flight controls fitted on the aircraft are controlled by sidestick inputs and digital processing by the Elevator Aileron Computer (ELAC), the Spoiler Elevator Computer (SEC) and Flight Augmentation Computer (FAC). When the primary flight controls on the Airbus A320 are being operated, electrical signals from the sidestick or Flight Management and Guidance System (FMGS) are send to the flight control computers before being passed to the flight control hydraulic actuator. "

    Airbus A320 Primary Flight Controls - DutchOps.com Powered


    The pilots have no direct control over the elevators or rudders. The pilots only have "Gamesticks" which input commands to the computers. The computers ascertain how fast the plane is descending and only let the plane descend about 3000 feet per minute.

    "In March 2006 the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) certified a modified control software enhancement to the Airbus A318 designed to allow the aircraft to perform steep approaches.[13] The aircraft is the largest commercial aircraft certified by EASA for steep approach operations.[4] The software modifies the control laws of the aircraft when the steep approach function is selected by the crew, by automatically deploying some of the spoiler panels to provide additional drag when the aircraft is in the landing configuration.[13] It also provides alternative aural alerts to the crew and modifies spoiler deployment automatically below 120 feet (37 m) on landing.[13] The A318 steep approach procedure allows the aircraft to perform approaches at descent angles of up to 5.5°, as opposed to the standard 3° for a normal approach.[4"


    Airbus A318 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    "The picture of Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz’ troubled state of mind grows more complex with the revelation, reported by International Business Times, that investigators have discovered that Lubitz “trawled the dark side of the web visiting, among other things, sites containing gay porn, suicide themes and sexual perversions.”

    This sheds new light on a seemingly minor detail from early reports: other pilots teased Lubitz by calling him “Tomato Andy” because he worked as a flight attendant before becoming a pilot. According to IBT, this was not merely an insulting reference to the food and beverage duties of a flight attendant; “Tomato” is an anti-gay slur in Germany, “based on the fact that while a tomato is thought to be a vegetable, it is really a fruit.”

    The report also says officials discovered a diary in the co-pilot’s Dusseldorf apartment, in which he “wrote of his fears that he would be ‘found out’ and lose his job.” This is evidently a reference to his medical problems, judging by the direct quote from the diary provided by IBT: “I have too much work and I am not able to do my job properly.”

    Report: Germanwings Co-Pilot Surfed Gay Porn and Suicide Websites Before Crash - Breitbart
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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    Lubitz answers with a seemingly light tone of voice: “I hope so.”
    10:30
    Lubitz is alone in the cockpit. He locks the armored door with the “Lock” button: it is no longer possible to open the door from the outside. The one can hear the sounds of the automatic pilot being reprogrammed to accelerate the descent, pushing the plane from 38,000 feet (11.000 meters) to 100 feet (30 meters) in a matter of minutes.
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    Make up a story like it was real. Was there a video tell you so? What sound it is to show it was automatic pilot to descend the plane?

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