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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    I was reading up last night, and in some forms of depression, it's not just that you think your life is hopeless; you think everybody's is and so become detached from the reality that there are 149 individuals whose fates you should not hold in your hands.

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I was reading up last night, and in some forms of depression, it's not just that you think your life is hopeless; you think everybody's is and so become detached from the reality that there are 149 individuals whose fates you should not hold in your hands.
    Interesting.

    You know, I've often thought that if an asteroid hits the earth and everyone dies - I'd be ok dying.

    but I don't want to die tomorrow and have the world go on without me... I want to be there to see what happens.

    Now I'm not depressed so I'm not going to try to kill everyone when I die. But guess I can see that perspective. If the world is so horrible, you're doing them a favor by killing them.

    I really wish his treatment had worked better.

    To any one who is depressed on this site: don't kill yourself. And if you do, ONLY kill yourself.

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    I think it's irresponsible and dangerous to pretend that terrorism is the biggest thing we should be concerned about in our day to day lives at the expense of common sense.

    149 innocent people lost their lives because someone was more concerned about keeping terrorists out of the cockpit rather than having policies and procedures in place to ensure that those required to control the plane can actually get back in when the need arises. Procedures to ensure that there is never one person left in the cockpit alone should also have gone without saying.
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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    Is there a significance to the number "96", for Lubitz setting the altitude of the Airbus to 96 Feet?
    I doubt it. On the Mode Control Panel (MCP), ALTitude adjustments (ascent/descent) are made in discrete packets of 16 ft. It cannot be set to 0 ft. If you look at the MCP transponder data for flight #4U9525 below (bolded), you will notice that all ALTitude settings are divisible by 16.

    09:30:52Z.386 MCP/FMC ALT: 38000 ft QNH: 1006.0 hPa
    09:30:52Z.567 T,3c6618,43.122208,5.676482,38000,GWI18G
    09:30:53Z.036 T,3c6618,43.122894,5.676993,38000,GWI18G
    09:30:53Z.546 T,3c6618,43.124271,5.678166,38000,GWI18G
    09:30:54Z.083 MCP/FMC ALT: 13008 ft QNH: 1006.0 hPa
    09:30:54Z.096 T,3c6618,43.125295,5.678689,38000,GWI18G
    09:30:54Z.676 T,3c6618,43.125961,5.679421,38000,GWI18G
    09:30:55Z.156 T,3c6618,43.127157,5.680259,38000,GWI18G
    09:30:55Z.397 MCP/FMC ALT: 96 ft QNH: 1006.0 hPa

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    If it is true that his girlfriend just broke up with him then this appears to be more broken heart syndrome than some Jihad. Little wimp decided the best way to get back at her was to crash a commercial jetliner and make her guilty for breaking up with him. What a poor excuse for an adult man. I hope there is a hell for his sake.

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    So What antidepressant medication had Libitz been taking?


    "Fort Hood, Texas – April 2, 2014: Specialist Ivan Lopez opened fire at Fort Hood military base, killing three people and wounding 16 others before taking his own life. He had been prescribed Ambien, antidepressants and other medications to treat anxiety and depression and had also been examined by a psychiatrist within the month prior and was being evaluated for PTSD.
    3.Washington, DC – September 17, 2013: Aaron Alexis, a Navy contractor, opened fire inside a building at the Washington Navy Yard, killing 12 and wounding eight others before he was killed by police. Alexis had received prescriptions from two Veterans Administration hospitals in August 2013 for the antidepressant Trazodone."

    Other Murders/Murder-Suicides Committed by Individuals on Psychiatric Drugs | CCHR International

    Is there an increased risk of suicide for some anti-depressant drugs?



    "Results After controlling for age, sex, calendar time, and time from first antidepressant prescription to the onset of suicidal behavior, the relative risks for newly diagnosed nonfatal suicidal behavior in 555 cases and 2062 controls were 0.83 (95% confidence interval, [CI] 0.61-1.13) for amitriptyline, 1.16 (95% CI, 0.90-1.50) for fluoxetine, and 1.29 (95% CI, 0.97-1.70) for paroxetine compared with those using dothiepin. The RR for suicidal behavior among patients first prescribed an antidepressant within 1 to 9 days before their index date was 4.07 (95% CI, 2.89-5.74) compared with patients who were first prescribed an antidepressant 90 days or more before their index date. Time since first antidepressant prescription was not, however, a confounder of the relation between specific antidepressants and suicidal behavior since its relation to suicidal behavior was not materially different among users of the 4 study drugs. Similarly for fatal suicide, the RR among patients who were first prescribed an antidepressant within 1 to 9 days before their index date was 38.0 (95% CI, 6.2-231) compared with those who were first prescribed an antidepressant 90 days or more before their index date. There were no significant associations between the use of a particular study antidepressant and the risk of suicide.

    Conclusions The risk of suicidal behavior after starting antidepressant treatment is similar among users of amitriptyline, fluoxetine, and paroxetine compared with the risk among users of dothiepin. The risk of suicidal behavior is increased in the first month after starting antidepressants, especially during the first 1 to 9 days. A possible small increase in risk (bordering statistical significance) among those starting the newest antidepressant, paroxetine, is of a magnitude that could readily be due to uncontrolled confounding by severity of depression. Based on limited information, we also conclude that there is no substantial difference in effect of the 4 drugs on people aged 10 to 19 years.
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    In 1991 the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) held a public meeting to address widespread concerns that a recently marketed selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) antidepressant, fluoxetine (Prozac), was causing severe suicidal behaviors. Dozens of attendees related personal experiences that described such behavior in relatives and friends shortly after they had started taking fluoxetine for depression.1
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    Subsequently, a meta-analysis of clinical trial data pooled from 17 double-blind studies conducted by Eli Lilly & Co, the marketer of fluoxetine, concluded that "data from these trials do not show that fluoxetine is associated with an increased risk of suicidal acts. . . ."2 The authors of 2 formal epidemiological studies on the relation of fluoxetine and suicidal behavior concluded that the findings indicated that the risk of such behavior in fluoxetine users was not materially different from that among users of certain other commonly prescribed antidepressant drugs.3,4"


    JAMA Network | JAMA | Antidepressants and the Risk of Suicidal Behaviors






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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Are Overall suicide rates reduce by anti-depressants?

    "Background: The role of antidepressants in suicide prevention is a major public health question. An association was hypothesized between the increase in the use of non-tricyclic antidepressant medications in the United States and the decline in the suicide rate during the years 1985-1999. Method: The relationships between the suicide, antidepressant prescription, unemployment, and alcoholic beverage consumption rates were studied using generalized linear models. Suicide rates by antidepressant overdose were compared in selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) and tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs). Results: From 1985 to 1999, the suicide rate fell 13.5%, with a greater decline among women, and antidepressant prescription rates increased over 4-fold, with the increase mostly due to SSRIs. Prescription rates for SSRIs and other second-generation antidepressants were both inversely associated with suicide rates (p = .03 and p = .02, respectively). In a multivariable analysis adjusting for unemployment and alcoholic beverage consumption rates, SSRI antidepressant prescription rates remained inversely associated with the national suicide rate (p = .03). Females received twice as many antidepressant prescriptions compared with males. The commonest prescription indication was mood disorders, the condition most often associated with suicide. SSRIs were associated with a lower risk of suicide by antidepressant overdose compared with TCAs. Conclusion: The decline in the national suicide rate (1985-1999) appears to be associated with greater use of non-tricyclic antidepressants. Treatment of a greater proportion of mood disorders with SSRIs and other second-generation non-tricyclic antidepressants may further reduce the suicide rate. Controlled studies of the antisuicidal properties of antidepressants are needed in high-risk depressed patient populations. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2013 APA, all rights reserved)"

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    I don't fancy conspiracy theories but I still believe that this might be a terrorist attack.

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    If it is true that his girlfriend just broke up with him then this appears to be more broken heart syndrome than some Jihad. Little wimp decided the best way to get back at her was to crash a commercial jetliner and make her guilty for breaking up with him. What a poor excuse for an adult man. I hope there is a hell for his sake.
    I'm seeing a lot of people make some pretty harsh judgments and then immediately proclaiming a hope that this guy continues to suffer forever.

    You know, like Jesus would want.


    I think suicide would be less common if our society started seeing depression as a sickness instead of a flaw in the person suffering from it. Maybe then people wouldn't try to bottle it up and hide it away from the world. Maybe they'd get help before something tragic happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    I don't fancy conspiracy theories but I still believe that this might be a terrorist attack.

    Terrorists claim responsibility for their actions so that everyone knows it was them.
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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm seeing a lot of people make some pretty harsh judgments and then immediately proclaiming a hope that this guy continues to suffer forever.

    You know, like Jesus would want.
    How harsh was it for him to take the lives of the babies aboard who never had the opportunity to live more than a few months? No tears here, sorry, the cupboard is bare for a jack ass.

    So he had some depression, big deal, there are people dealing with it everyday and I don't see them doing mass murders. Let him rot in hell.

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