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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    CVR would have provided evidence of this.
    Is there a Video of the cockpit?

    Some things can be done silently.

    Silent Passenger involvement not likely, but not completely impossible. But now, everyone already has their minds made up.




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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    Is there a Video of the cockpit?

    Some things can be done silently.

    Silent Passenger involvement not likely, but not completely impossible. But now, everyone already has their minds made up.




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    Real life isn't like a movie. Your Literally A Ninja Did It theory actually is impossible. The CVR microphone picks up the pilots' breathing. Your ninja would have had to slip inside right behind the exiting pilot, before the door closes again (because the FDR records that) and then hit the lock, still unnoticed so the first officer doesn't make a sound. Then he has to render the first officer unconscious.... without making a sound or changing the FO's breathing patterns in the least. And then has to climb into the captain's seat to reach the autopilot controls. A task definitely not possible to do silently, I don't know if you've ever looked into an airliner cockpit. Take a peek sometime.

    Real life isn't a movie. You can't silently clock somebody over the head or shoot them with a silent instant sleep dart.

    There was no ninja. Ninjas do not commit suicide.
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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Real life isn't like a movie. Your Literally A Ninja Did It theory actually is impossible. The CVR microphone picks up the pilots' breathing. Your ninja would have had to slip inside right behind the exiting pilot, before the door closes again (because the FDR records that) and then hit the lock, still unnoticed so the first officer doesn't make a sound. Then he has to render the first officer unconscious.... without making a sound or changing the FO's breathing patterns in the least. And then has to climb into the captain's seat to reach the autopilot controls. A task definitely not possible to do silently, I don't know if you've ever looked into an airliner cockpit. Take a peek sometime.

    Real life isn't a movie. You can't silently clock somebody over the head or shoot them with a silent instant sleep dart.

    There was no ninja. Ninjas do not commit suicide.
    I admit my Ninja theory was not original. Jodi Arias made it work for a year or so.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=jodi...w=1280&bih=654

    Actually, I thought it might be one of the two Iranian passengers aboard, gone sucidal. But with this Nuclear deal, lifting sanctions on Iran, it seems all the Iranian people are ready to become Westernized consumers.


    'Iran’s top diplomat was given a hero’s welcome by a jubilant crowd Friday after reaching a framework nuclear deal that could ease crippling sanctions.

    Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif was cheered as he landed in Tehran on a flight from Switzerland, where the U.S., China and European powers announced a deal"

    Iran Nuclear Deal: Cheering Crowds Greet Foreign Minister in Tehran - TIME






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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
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    "Patricia Zorko, of the Dutch national police, said the investigation was also examining the recording of an intercepted conversation discussing the missile attack.

    "The conversation is between rebels who allegedly shot down the plane, but we really need to authenticate it," she said.

    .........

    One key clue is a telephone tap, believed to be of Ukrainian separatists discussing the plane's downing, which is also being examined for authenticity, Zorko said."

    Dutch hope metal shards will lead them to missile that hit MH17 | Reuters

    English at bottom:

    https://www.politie.nl/themas/flight-mh17.html


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    You always could find a key clue just like you said "The one can hear the sounds of the automatic pilot being reprogrammed to accelerate the descent, pushing the plane from 38,000 feet (11.000 meters) to 100 feet (30 meters) in a matter of minutes."

    MH17 was shot down by Buk missile? Was there an air attack then? Was rebel play a system just like shooting AK47?


    It's not an AK-47 rifle. It's a system need a well trained professional team to operate. Do you think the pro-Russia militia shot it by pushing a button?


    Quote:

    The Buk is a mobile, radar-guided surface to air missile (SAM) missile system with all four main components — acquisition and targeting radars, a command element, missile launchers, and a logistics element — mounted on tracked vehicles



    Buk missile system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The rebels play it like play firecrackers and happened shot down MH17? It reminds me of the story that 911 hijackers having only experience to pilot a Cessner could drive a Boeing to hit the WTC building. This time I would believe you if you said the Boeing plane was controlled by the "fly by wire", it was remote controlled from the ground.

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'Computer evidence made public yesterday in Germany showed Lubitz researched both suicide and the mechanics of cockpit doors in the days before the flight.'

    Germanwings Co-Pilot Set Plane to Go Faster Before Crash - Bloomberg Business

    "He was regularly teased by other pilots because he started off his career as a flight attendant, a job that usually goes to women. According to the Mirror, “he was nicknamed ‘Tomato Andy’ because they believed he didn’t know if he was a ‘fruit or veg’ – a reference to his sexuality.” (The British tabloid The Star has decided, based on this, that he was actually gay.) It’s likely that this sort of treatment at the hands of his co-workers contributed to the insecurities his ex-girlfriend spoke of. [EDIT: A native German speaker tells me that the “fruit/veg” explanation does’t make sense in German. But I have seen other references to the nickname and the teasing.]

    5) He evidently had a highly developed sense of “aggrieved entitlement.” After one of his girlfriends left him, he seems to have thought he could buy her back with a car. He felt he deserved his dream job as a pilot even though he was deemed medically unfit to fly, and even before his final flight was putting passengers at risk by hiding evidence of his unfitness from his employers. And he evidently felt so wronged, both by romantic rejection and by the probable loss of his job, that he decided he needed to take revenge on his enemies with a grand nihilistic gesture that would, as he told his ex, make the world remember his name.

    This toxic mixture of anger, entitlement, and grandiosity is, not to put to fine a point on it, quintessentially male. "

    Male rage, aggrieved entitlement, and Andreas Lubitz | we hunted the mammoth


    I think Andreas was angry.


    One problem with anger, is that if you let it build up, it can get away from you.

    Andreas had a number of reasons to be angry. Andreas had bad dreams and yelled at his girl friends. But Andreas did not take time to analyze who he was upset with, and how he was going to constructively express his frustrations.

    Most everyone has been teased, but we figure out a way to express our complaints, and come to terms with those who have teased us.

    Andy may not have figured out a way to retaliate against the pilots who had teased him, or others at Germanwings.

    The lesson that is not being discussed, is handling bullying. Getting teased, then brining a gun to school happens too often.

    The lesson is lost, because most of the public decides that the individual with the gun, or murderous weapon, is a nut, and therefore there is no lesson to learn.

    There are people in Andreas Lubitz life, who were derisively critical to Lubitz. Those unkind people are not going to come forward and appologize.

    But the lesson for ordinary people should not be lost. The lesson should be to understand that too much anger built up for Andreas, and he did not have a constructive avenue to handle his built up anger. Maybe the counselors tried to help Lubitz.

    I try to write up notes on people who upset me, and try to come up with phrases to ask for their cooperation, and find ways to constructively discuss the faults and foibles for with the bullies are teasing me.

    Even probably reading over notes by Lubitz, will not reveal the reasons for his anger. Because Lubitz did not understand the importance of taking time to analyze and handle his anger. Lubitz probably became overwhelmed with a series of small instances of anger, that built up unresolved.

    There are lessons to be learned here.

    But media feeds into the idea of justice through prison as a means to handle human anger, that results in violence. Certainly most instances of human violence are less than Lubitz 149 number. But each crime of violence is a lesson for us all to handle anger, lust, and envy, more productively.

    Math is taught in school, but it is assumed that Anger will be handled by magic. Emotional intelligence can also be taught.

    "Center has worked closely with educators and students to develop high school RULER materials with the goal of creating a curriculum focused on preparing students emotionally for the challenges of navigating adolescence. The curriculum aims to develop students’ emotional intelligence, self- and social awareness, critical thinking, effective decision-making, creative problem-solving ability, and goal-setting skills."

    Teaching Emotional Intelligence - Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence | Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...ce+in+students







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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    In instances of attacks where more people are injured or killed, it is usually Muslims.
    US foreign policy has killed many many more. Not surprising when you consider that it's the only state in the whole world to have been found guilty, by an international criminal court, of supporting international terrorism!
    We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    Is there a Video of the cockpit?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=288&v=ROIH3KCEIvs

    Note where it says, "in the cockpit the buzzer sounds continuously". Yet on the cvr there is no such sound. Why?

    Also, why have the reports of fighter jets escorting the airbus been buried?
    We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    we don't need conspiracy theories to muddy the waters.
    Conspiracies are a fact of life:

    'Mark Twain astutely observed, “A conspiracy is nothing but a secret agreement of a number of men for the pursuance of policies which they dare not admit in public.”

    'Conspiracies are common. If they weren’t, police stations would not need conspiracy units to investigate and prosecute crimes such as “conspiracy to import cocaine” or any other collusion on the part of two or more people to subvert the law.

    'Unfortunately, too many people smugly chide “conspiracy theories” as if they imagine that such a derisive characterization reflects superior intellect—whether or not they know anything about the issue in question. It’s a pitiful display of ego inflation and intellectual dishonesty, yet it appears to be a common approach preferred by those either short on information and critical thinking skills or harboring a hidden agenda.'

    Rethinking Conspiracy | Foreign Policy Journal
    We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    Conspiracies are a fact of life:

    'Mark Twain astutely observed, “A conspiracy is nothing but a secret agreement of a number of men for the pursuance of policies which they dare not admit in public.”

    'Conspiracies are common. If they weren’t, police stations would not need conspiracy units to investigate and prosecute crimes such as “conspiracy to import cocaine” or any other collusion on the part of two or more people to subvert the law.

    'Unfortunately, too many people smugly chide “conspiracy theories” as if they imagine that such a derisive characterization reflects superior intellect—whether or not they know anything about the issue in question. It’s a pitiful display of ego inflation and intellectual dishonesty, yet it appears to be a common approach preferred by those either short on information and critical thinking skills or harboring a hidden agenda.'

    Rethinking Conspiracy | Foreign Policy Journal
    Conspiracy theorists find conspiracies in everywhere and in everything. yes conspiracies exist, but they tend to be of the most common criminal sort involving a small number of people.
    Cters while they rarely if ever admit it believe in conspiracies that tend to involve thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people for the express purpose of controlling other people on a national or often international level. As opposed to the common criminal conspiracy which is merely to make some quick illegal cash.

    There was no conspiracy involved in this crash as it was undertaken by a solitary individual who committed suicide and took a plane full of people with him.
    It is a terrible tragedy but there was no conspiracy.
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    Re: Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

    The difference between conspiracy theories and someone investigating conspiracy is evidence.

    Conspiracy theorists never actually have any. They think they have lots, but they don't. '

    I've described conspiracy theorists as not so much believing something that isn't true, but rather having ridiculous interpretations of facts.
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