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    Re: Breaking News Airbus plane crashes in Southern France

    There will be a press conference later today, and I think the names of the pilot and co-pilot will be released. The pilot had over 6K flying hours; the co-pilot had 600-something. What we don't know is which one locked the other out.

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    Re: Breaking News Airbus plane crashes in Southern France

    There are three states that a cockpit door can be in ... locked/normal/unlocked. If it is in locked mode, the access keypad on the passenger side becomes inoperable and there is no override. As I understand it, most airlines have a rule that there can never be only one person in a cockpit and if necessary, a flight attendant can satisfy this SOP. This rule is intended to minimize/prevent the potentially dangerous one-person/locked cockpit scenario that apparently happened here.


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    Re: Breaking News Airbus plane crashes in Southern France

    It's official; the co-pilot crashed the plane intentionally.

    Now the remaining question is why.

    Germanwings plane crash: Co-pilot 'wanted to destroy plane' - BBC News
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    Re: Breaking News Airbus plane crashes in Southern France

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    What would you do if the person flying the plane had a bad day and decided to dive the plane into the ground? Fill us in.
    Back when I was in the industry, there was a way to get into the cockpit in an emergency, but I don't really want to say how, as it is a security issue.
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    Re: Breaking News Airbus plane crashes in Southern France

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    If the pilot did commit suicide then my post is valid, if not that is not.
    Somebody making this sort of decision is broken somehow. You don't know what prompted the decision.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Breaking News Airbus plane crashes in Southern France

    Well, at least this time Lufthansa admitted it (not sure if they had much choice).

    In the past in these pilot murder-suicides, the airline refuses to admit it even when the evidence was overwhelming.

    I think what needs to change is obvious, there has to be an override of some kind so that either pilot has a way to gain access to the cockpit even if it is locked down.
    Because clearly this 'don't leave a pilot alone in the cockpit' rule is not being followed.

    Besides, if a female flight attendant replaces a pilot (assuming both pilots are male) when one leaves the cockpit, I cannot believe it would be overly difficult for an average-sized male remaining pilot to render an average-sized female FA 'disabled/unconscious' if he had planned taking the plane.

    Jeez, it's simple (isn't it?)...just put a numeric keypad lock on the door and have the access code known only to the pilots so that neither could lock out the other but that no one else could gain unauthorized access.

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    Re: Breaking News Airbus plane crashes in Southern France

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Well, at least this time Lufthansa admitted it (not sure if they had much choice).

    In the past in these pilot murder-suicides, the airline refuses to admit it even when the evidence was overwhelming.

    I think what needs to change is obvious, there has to be an override of some kind so that either pilot has a way to gain access to the cockpit even if it is locked down.
    Because clearly this 'don't leave a pilot alone in the cockpit' rule is not being followed.

    Besides, if a female flight attendant replaces a pilot (assuming both pilots are male) when one leaves the cockpit, I cannot believe it would be overly difficult for an average-sized male remaining pilot to render an average-sized female FA 'disabled/unconscious' if he had planned taking the plane.

    Jeez, it's simple (isn't it?)...just put a numeric keypad lock on the door and have the access code known only to the pilots so that neither could lock out the other but that no one else could gain unauthorized access.
    Sure, if you want to give Al Qaeda a way in.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Breaking News Airbus plane crashes in Southern France

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Sure, if you want to give Al Qaeda a way in.
    I said a code that only the pilots know.

    How is that going to help al Qaeda get inside...they won't have the code obviously? And neither will the rest of the crew. So how is that going to help al Qaeda gain access (assuming both pilots are in the cockpit)?

    And if one pilot leaves the cockpit and a terrorist grabs him and forces him to punch in the code...there can be an emergency shut down code that can only be used from outside the cockpit when the door is closed. It would immediately lock down the door until the pilot inside unlocks it.
    So the pilot outside the cockpit could disable the system to deny a terrorist entrance to the cockpit.
    Last edited by DA60; 03-26-15 at 12:38 PM.

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    Re: Breaking News Airbus plane crashes in Southern France

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Back when I was in the industry, there was a way to get into the cockpit in an emergency, but I don't really want to say how, as it is a security issue.
    Maybe pre-911 but that was not true in this case. The cockpit lock button overrides the keypad outside the door.

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    Re: Breaking News Airbus plane crashes in Southern France

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Conjecture.

    Nothing was found in the pilot's background that would lead to suicide.
    So far this is also true for this disaster. But the evidence is overwhelming that it was the case regardless. The same is likely true of MH370. We will know for sure when we find the pilot alone in the cockpit sitting on the bottom of the ocean.

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