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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The decision not to lend Hadi support and stay 'above the fray' has proven disastrous. But like every other foreign policy mistake of the past seven years we'll never see a reversal just more doubling down.
    True enough. I struggle to think of an administration more hostile to new information, or less capable of re-assessing it's assumptions and strategy.

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The USA didn't 'flee' Yemen, it made a strategic advance to the rear.

    Thirty or forty years or so from now,after things calm down a little bit there, we'll probably be back in there.
    Try probably 18 months. If not sooner.

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    Nothing surprises me in terms of the scope of failures within the current administration. These are the same people who still trust Susan Rice to deal with other countries, for goodness sakes.

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    While the American partisans keep playing their little perpetual finger pointing game, the rest of the world sees no difference in the way the US extends its foreign policy whether republican or democratic administrations are in power. US credibility and respect is in the ****ter. It was very low during the Bush administration, while the world had hopes with Obama, and the numbers went up early in his administration, they're now back down to Bush era numbers. The US, forget the party, has advanced bad foreign policy, damaging to our credibility, damaging to friends and ally's, and of course damaging to the lives of so many where we have promoted hegemony. It's effects have been huge. Russia, China, Germany and France (at least) have all stated that a unipolar world is a threat to global security and all have declared that they will be working to change that. Going forward, we'll be hard pressed to get unanimous votes from the UNSC for our military adventurism. The formation of BRICS and AIIB are by products, and USFP is pushing the unlikely partners of Russia and China closer together. The US was the worlds sole super power but a short time before the rest of the world recognized its dangers.

    Americans (though you'd hardly see it reflected on this board) seem to be accepting (well, acknowledging at least) the trend of diminishing US power and influence.

    Impressions of how the U.S. is perceived abroad improved soon after Barack Obama took office, but are now as negative as they were during the Bush administration. Seven-in-ten (70%) believe the U.S. is less respected by other countries than in the past; just 7% say the U.S. is more respected and 19% say it is as respected as in the past.

    For the first time in surveys dating to 1974, more than half of the public (53%) says the United States plays a less important and powerful role as a world leader than it did a decade ago.

    Members of the Council on Foreign Relations are also far more likely to see the U.S. as a less important and powerful world leader.

    In fact, the Council on Foreign Relations is hugely against a uni-polar world, and thinks that the US should have a shared leadership role.

    Members of the Council on Foreign Relations also overwhelmingly favor a shared leadership role for the U.S. – 86% express this view.

    From the Pew Research Center

    http://www.people-press.org/2013/12/...s-global-role/
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    Nothing surprises me in terms of the scope of failures within the current administration. These are the same people who still trust Susan Rice to deal with other countries, for goodness sakes.
    Right, because America's steady decline is all Obama's fault, lol.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, that was afterwards.



    Yemen's new national unity government, comprised of an equal number of opposition and loyalist ministers, approved the law in accordance with the transfer agreement that Saleh signed in neighboring Saudi Arabia late last year.

    The agreement, brokered by Yemen's powerful Arab neighbors and backed by the United States, grants Saleh immunity in exchange for him hand handing over powers to his deputy. Saleh is scheduled to hand over the presidency to his vice president, Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi, on Feb. 21.....snip~

    Yemen Cabinet grants president, aides immunity - SFGate
    Immunity to ensure a peaceful transition signed off by the government of Yemen, while the situation has deteriorated since he's left if him stepping down led to prosecution I doubt he would give up power.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Immunity to ensure a peaceful transition signed off by the government of Yemen, while the situation has deteriorated since he's left if him stepping down led to prosecution I doubt he would give up power.
    People wanted him tried for Crimes against Humanity with the UN.....which we prevented that with a few others so he could make that Peaceful transition of power. Keeping the Sunni in control. All it took was a few major powers saying they would grant full immunity.

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    The only people the U.S. is standing up to is Israel.

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What makes you think the chaos would have been there if troops had remained? The fact is that all of this happened after Obama withdrew.
    We have 125 troops there, and they were pulled out as a result of the chaos. I'm not asking what you think should be done because I disagree with you, but it's pretty easy to sit on the sideline and act like anything that happens in the world is a result of Obama. The fact is, these events happen in sovereign nation the role of Obama alot of times is to determine how we should react. Would you keep those troops there? Increase the number of troops in the middle of a Yemeni civil war? Would you also remove those troops out of harms way?
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If you've been propping them up for decades, yes. If they're your dictators, yes.

    Or you ensure that you're part of the uprising and part of what results.

    You don't just sit back preparing your March Madness brackets and practicing your putting.
    So the US should of taken an active role in fighting against a public uprisings?

    As far as being a part of the uprising, sure, I agree to an extent, but largely it is out of your hands when it comes to who the uprising decides to put into power.
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