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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    What about Western negotiations with Iran for Nuclear progress? If Iran delays the bomb, is the West offering to give Northern Yemen and Eastern Iraq to Iran? What is so hard about re-drawing a few lines on the World map?
    I reckon itt will be Iran drawing lines on the world map, not any western nation, and when sanctions start seriously, if they do, a few terrorist bombs in western capitals will make them fold faster that a nomad's sleeping gear. Terrorism is the new diplomacy.

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No military presence in the Middle East and there is chaos and mass killings. Recall who said that Iraq was "stable"? FLASHBACK

    Do you genuinely not know what he said about Yemen? Four months ago, Obama called Yemen’s war on terror a success. Now the Yemeni government may fall. - The Washington Post

    This information is readily available and rather basic.
    I knew all of that already. How is it his fault that Yemen collapsed? As I said, the issue of the Houthis is separate from that of AQAP - the Houthi takeover just makes it more difficult to coordinate with a stable Yemeni government. We had SF and drones in Yemen, and they did a good job of preventing AQAP from becoming like al-Qaeda pre-9/11. And Yemen is not yet a lost cause: I anticipate that if the Houthis are not serious about a unity government, which I doubt they are, the Saudis will come in and wipe away the Iranian encroachment on their border.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/us...ight.html?_r=0

    This is what Obama said just a few months ago.

    "This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out [the Islamic State] wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years"

    It's not that Obama is just the most stupid president in US History, he is quite likely the stupidest leader of any democracy in world history. This man has blood all over his hands.
    Another example the Obama's sterling foreign policy achievements. What an incompetent dolt.
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I think you had better get your butt and your family's butt over there and kill people. You are wasting time in panic mode.

    Lead the way. Quit screaming for everyone else to do it for you. Get moving. Take some other Canadians with you.
    This is a prime example of an ad hominem fallacy. Grant could be the most cowardly man in existence and it would have zero effect on the validity of his position. That's not even touching on the stupidity of "send your kids" (as if that's how it works) or the fact that we wouldn't be sending anyone who did not volunteer to join the service in the first place.

    That being said, this is not the time for US troops to be in Yemen. I agree with you on that count.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I knew all of that already. How is it his fault that Yemen collapsed? As I said, the issue of the Houthis is separate from that of AQAP - the Houthi takeover just makes it more difficult to coordinate with a stable Yemeni government. We had SF and drones in Yemen, and they did a good job of preventing AQAP from becoming like al-Qaeda pre-9/11. And Yemen is not yet a lost cause: I anticipate that if the Houthis are not serious about a unity government, which I doubt they are, the Saudis would come in and wipe away the Iranian encroachment on their border.
    Four months ago, Obama called Yemen’s war on terror a success. Now the Yemeni government may fall. - The Washington Post

    Oh I get it, when it is good news it is Obama's personal achievement, when it it bad news someone or something else's fault. Strong work.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    Four months ago, Obama called Yemen’s war on terror a success. Now the Yemeni government may fall. - The Washington Post

    Oh I get it, when it is good news it is Obama's personal achievement, when it it bad news someone or something else's fault. Strong work.
    Again: how is this his fault? Does the President of the United States have the power to magically affect everything that happens in some other sovereign nation? I feel the same way when people blame Bush and Blair for ISIS, and even then our involvement was much more direct than it ever has been in Yemen.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    This is a prime example of an ad hominem fallacy. Grant could be the most cowardly man in existence and it would have zero effect on the validity of his position. That's not even touching on the stupidity of "send your kids" (as if that's how it works) or the fact that we wouldn't be sending anyone who did not volunteer to join the service in the first place.

    That being said, this is not the time for US troops to be in Yemen. I agree with you on that count.
    It's easy as hell to scream for war as long as you don't have to go. It's a cake walk sending someone else's child to die, avoid the guilt by declaring "well, they volunteered for it". Later maybe a yellow ribbon bumper sticker to show that you support the troops, whatever that really means.

    When people start coming home in parts and the Veteran's Administration ****s over the nation's best, the volunteers, there won't be any big demonstrations, there won't be any big marches from citizens demanding that their government honor its debt to its warriors. The masses will be silent. But they'll all stand up and take their hats off during the national anthem at a baseball game and complain to each other about anyone who didn't "respect the flag".

    When ALL American citizens and corporations make great sacrifices to go to war, when everyone and their sons and daughters stand an equal chance of marching into the breech, then one hell of a lot of Americans will be most reluctant to make the sacrifices they so easily expect of others.










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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    ISIS has trounced Obama, the Yemenese have done it, Al Quaeda has done it, Libya has laughed at his ineptitude, and even Nehatanyu has beaten Obama's best shot.

    Now all these losses, and zero wins, is somehow a good thing? You reckon the US will not be next? Do you really think you can run and hide forever?

    ISIS ‘hacking division’ releases hit list of 100 U.S. military personnel, including names and addresses | National Post
    Let's see now. The USA has put its' money and arms on moderate rebels of IS and AQAS because this is who the Saudis, our scumbag allies, support. Now, the Saudis always suport Wahabis or Sunnis, and these are Shiites in Yemen tossing out Sunnis and Wahabis that are the USA allies through Saudi Arabia and we have used them in Libya. I think we need to clean house in the USA Terror War and work against the terrorists for a while, or just unplug the electronic checkbook to these various and sundry scalawags. We keep supporting "BAD GUYS" Why is that?

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    When ALL American citizens and corporations make great sacrifices to go to war, when everyone and their sons and daughters stand an equal chance of marching into the breech, then one hell of a lot of Americans will be most reluctant to make the sacrifices they so easily expect of others.
    All the American citizens and their sons and daughters needn't go marching into any breach, that is coming to them. Islamic State: ISIS Releases Kill List, Addresses Of 100 U.S. Military Members To Be Beheaded In Their Homes

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It's easy as hell to scream for war as long as you don't have to go. It's a cake walk sending someone else's child to die, avoid the guilt by declaring "well, they volunteered for it". Later maybe a yellow ribbon bumper sticker to show that you support the troops, whatever that really means.
    Wouldn't the same principle apply to the antiwar point of view? Take ISIS: it's easy to be against intervention when most Americans face almost no threat to themselves from ISIS, but those who are being murdered, expelled, and enslaved by them would likely have a different take. Demanding that people put themselves personally at risk in order to have an opinion on how the US should handle global conflicts is not rational.

    When people start coming home in parts and the Veteran's Administration ****s over the nation's best, the volunteers, there won't be any big demonstrations, there won't be any big marches from citizens demanding that their government honor its debt to its warriors. The masses will be silent. But they'll all stand up and take their hats off during the national anthem at a baseball game and complain to each other about anyone who didn't "respect the flag".
    If you mean to say that the US public needs to be committed to the fact that we are at war, actually pay attention, and give veterans the treatment they deserve, I completely agree. The apathy of the country as a whole towards the War in Afghanistan was disturbing, and it's disgraceful how many are abandoned to homelessness and mental illness.
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