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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    The US policy in Yemen really has been breathtakingly bad. In the Arab Spring, Obama basically abandoned many of the US's traditional allies in the region, preferring to sit back and watch. In Yemen, when things settled, a very weak leadership remained and Obama and the US used that leadership to conduct multiple drone strikes throughout Yemen, angering many of the citizens of Yemen against both the Yemeni leadership as well as the US. This was allowed to escalate, turning large parts of the country over to terrorists and resistance, egged on by Iran and now the whole leadership/government structure in Yemen has collapsed.

    I used to think that the world could survive the remainder of the disastrous Obama administration but that's becoming iffy. It seems quite laughable now that many in the US saw GW Bush as a problem in that region of the world - the absence of strong American leadership is a terrible price this region is paying.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    How close are Iran and the Houthi Rebels in Yemen?


    "Zaidi Shiites in Yemen, about a third of the population, do not belong to the same branch of Shiite Islam as most Iranians, and they are a local Yemeni movement reacting against Sunni and secular dominance of politics. (About two-thirds of Yemenis are Sunni Muslims and they predominate in the south of the country.)"

    Yemen: Saudi backs Sunni revolution against Shiite Houthi Rebels linked to Iran | Informed Comment


    "Iran has supplied weapons, money and training to the Shi'ite Houthi militia that seized Yemen's capital in September, as Tehran steps up its regional power struggle with Saudi Arabia, Yemeni and Iranian officials say.Exactly how much support Iran has given the Houthis, who share a Shi'ite ideology, has never been clear. Sunni countries in the Gulf accuse Iran of interference via Shi'ite proxies in the region, something Tehran denies.
    But Reuters has details -- from Yemeni, Western and Iranian sources -- of Iranian military and financial support to the Houthis before and after their takeover of Sanaa on Sept. 21.
    A senior Houthi official denied there had been material and financial support. But the assertions are still likely to reinforce Saudi, and Western, fears that Iran is exploiting turmoil between Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Bahrain and now Yemen."


    Iranian support seen crucial for Yemen's Houthis | Reuters






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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The US policy in Yemen really has been breathtakingly bad. In the Arab Spring, Obama basically abandoned many of the US's traditional allies in the region, preferring to sit back and watch. In Yemen, when things settled, a very weak leadership remained and Obama and the US used that leadership to conduct multiple drone strikes throughout Yemen, angering many of the citizens of Yemen against both the Yemeni leadership as well as the US. This was allowed to escalate, turning large parts of the country over to terrorists and resistance, egged on by Iran and now the whole leadership/government structure in Yemen has collapsed.

    I used to think that the world could survive the remainder of the disastrous Obama administration but that's becoming iffy. It seems quite laughable now that many in the US saw GW Bush as a problem in that region of the world - the absence of strong American leadership is a terrible price this region is paying.
    Yeah, it's getting more so every passing day.

    The power vacuum that was left when Obama abandoned the position of influence in the region is busily being filled by the Iranians, as they have Obama by the ear with the nuclear talks.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The US policy in Yemen really has been breathtakingly bad. In the Arab Spring, Obama basically abandoned many of the US's traditional allies in the region, preferring to sit back and watch. In Yemen, when things settled, a very weak leadership remained and Obama and the US used that leadership to conduct multiple drone strikes throughout Yemen, angering many of the citizens of Yemen against both the Yemeni leadership as well as the US. This was allowed to escalate, turning large parts of the country over to terrorists and resistance, egged on by Iran and now the whole leadership/government structure in Yemen has collapsed.

    I used to think that the world could survive the remainder of the disastrous Obama administration but that's becoming iffy. It seems quite laughable now that many in the US saw GW Bush as a problem in that region of the world - the absence of strong American leadership is a terrible price this region is paying.
    Sooo....the US should of interceded to protect dictators against populous uprisings?
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/us...ight.html?_r=0

    This is what Obama said just a few months ago.

    "This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out [the Islamic State] wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years"

    It's not that Obama is just the most stupid president in US History, he is quite likely the stupidest leader of any democracy in world history. This man has blood all over his hands.


    So if I have this straight, Yemen was the example of a means to a win on which the current war in Iraq is being waged.

    So now that it's failing, what does that say about Obama's war? Iraq can't be won this way.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/us...ight.html?_r=0

    This is what Obama said just a few months ago.

    "This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out [the Islamic State] wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years"

    It's not that Obama is just the most stupid president in US History, he is quite likely the stupidest leader of any democracy in world history. This man has blood all over his hands.
    Yemen has been a mess for some time and this has nothing to do with Obama or what's going on with ISIS elsewhere. It'll be interesting to see what the Saudis do about this. THAT should be our focus.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/us...ight.html?_r=0

    This is what Obama said just a few months ago.

    "This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out [the Islamic State] wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years"

    It's not that Obama is just the most stupid president in US History, he is quite likely the stupidest leader of any democracy in world history. This man has blood all over his hands.
    So what would of you done in a country which has pretty much fallen apart into multiple blocs of power? Would you of kept 125 service members there? Expanded the number of service members?
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The USA didn't 'flee' Yemen, it made a strategic advance to the rear.

    Thirty or forty years or so from now,after things calm down a little bit there, we'll probably be back in there.
    They have been fighting each other for centuries.
    Both sides are nuts.
    As it is in Saudi /Omani interests to have a stable Yemen. Well they are not far away.
    Scroll way down to see the wars fought in the last century alone.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The US policy in Yemen really has been breathtakingly bad. In the Arab Spring, Obama basically abandoned many of the US's traditional allies in the region, preferring to sit back and watch. In Yemen, when things settled, a very weak leadership remained and Obama and the US used that leadership to conduct multiple drone strikes throughout Yemen, angering many of the citizens of Yemen against both the Yemeni leadership as well as the US. This was allowed to escalate, turning large parts of the country over to terrorists and resistance, egged on by Iran and now the whole leadership/government structure in Yemen has collapsed.

    I used to think that the world could survive the remainder of the disastrous Obama administration but that's becoming iffy. It seems quite laughable now that many in the US saw GW Bush as a problem in that region of the world - the absence of strong American leadership is a terrible price this region is paying.
    Very true but, the Left will never admit it.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/us...ight.html?_r=0

    This is what Obama said just a few months ago.

    "This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out [the Islamic State] wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years"

    It's not that Obama is just the most stupid president in US History, he is quite likely the stupidest leader of any democracy in world history. This man has blood all over his hands.
    Looks to me like another success in the USA Terror War. We funded and armed these people and now instability is rampant, the same as Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Iraq, etc. and since we have achieved the same result each time, I have no doubt it is the desired effect. Beyond that, in the realm of ethics and mores, compassion, empathy, and all of the other positive virtues of humankind, it means it must be a CORPORATE plan because that leaves out the issues of humanity and deals with numbers and profits, eh?

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