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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    For the past few years, Saudi Arabia has made containment of Iran in the Middle East its primary foreign policy issue. The Yemen crisis is a good time for Riyadh to prove that it is indeed serious about diminishing Iran's influence. Obviously, we should provide the Saudis with whatever military or logistical capabilities that they'd need to crush the Houthi movement. I can also anticipate Qatar and the UAE joining the Saudis as part of a coalition effort against the Houthis.

    You are correct and the Saud will call the other Sunni to help with assistance. As they already have done. The Saud is amassing troops as we speak although it appears defensively. The Shia Rebels have driven Hadi from his home and are advancing. If they push for Aden. The Saud and others will jump in.




    (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia is moving heavy military equipment including artillery to areas near its border with Yemen, U.S. officials said on Tuesday, raising the risk that the Middle East’s top oil power will be drawn into the worsening Yemeni conflict.

    The buildup follows a southward advance by Iranian-backed Houthi Shi'ite militants who took control of the capital Sanaa in September and seized the central city of Taiz at the weekend as they move closer to the new southern base of U.S.-supported President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi.

    Riyadh hosted top-level talks with Gulf Arab neighbours on Saturday that backed Hadi as Yemen's legitimate president and offered "all efforts" to preserve the country's stability.....snip~

    Exclusive - Saudi Arabia building up military near Yemen border: U.S. officials | Reuters

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    For the past few years, Saudi Arabia has made containment of Iran in the Middle East its primary foreign policy issue. The Yemen crisis is a good time for Riyadh to prove that it is indeed serious about diminishing Iran's influence.
    True, but capability to project force and competing fronts is a reality for them that I think you are underappreciating.

    Obviously, we should provide the Saudis with whatever military or logistical capabilities that they'd need to crush the Houthi movement.
    and what about our foreign policy for the last few years makes you think that we will actually do this?

    I can also anticipate Qatar and the UAE joining the Saudis as part of a coalition effort against the Houthis.
    I could see that.

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    Re: Out of Yemen, U.S. is Hobbled in Terror Fight

    This shows that America needs to triple...no, quadruple her Defense spending.

    She needs to make sure that American troops are based, in force, in every city...no...every town...no...every house in the Middle East.

    America must control every human with direct military power...this is the only way to assure the continuation of the American ideal of freedom and personal liberty for all...er...all Americans. Well, all Americans that are not under surveillance...which is all Americans who are not rich.

    This is the Neocon credo...the neocon ideal. And all shall bow before it.

    Hail Neoconism!!!



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    Re: Out of Yemen, U.S. is Hobbled in Terror Fight

    It appears the Saud and its Sunni allies will now have to make a decision to go in and take Yemen. Hadi has fled the country.




    Yemen President Leaves country, Officials Tell AP

    SANAA, Yemen — Yemeni President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi fled the country by sea Wednesday on a boat from Aden, as Shiite rebels and their allies advanced on the southern port city where he had taken refuge, captured his defence minister and seized the city's airport.

    Hadi's departure marks a dramatic turn in Yemen's turmoil and means a decisive collapse of what was left of his rule, which the United States and Gulf allies had hoped could stabilize the chronically chaotic nation and fight al-Qaida's branch here after the 2011 ouster of longtime autocrat Ali Abdullah Saleh.....snip~

    Yemen President Leaves country, Officials Tell AP



    Yemen’s embattled president flees stronghold as Shiite rebels advance

    Yemen





    The Journal reported a convoy of Saudi Arabian officials helped Hadi in his escape. Newsweek said the Houthis put a $93,000 (20m Yemeni riyals) bounty on Hadi's capture.

    Early Wednesday, the rebels seized the Al Anad air base used by American forces for counterterrorism operations as the country heads to civil war and possibly captured two Hadi military loyalists, the New York Times reported......snip~


    Read more: Yemen president flees city by boat during intense fighting - UPI.com


    Yemen president flees city by boat during intense fighting - UPI.com
    Last edited by MMC; 03-25-15 at 03:13 PM.

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    You are correct and the Saud will call the other Sunni to help with assistance. As they already have done. The Saud is amassing troops as we speak although it appears defensively. The Shia Rebels have driven Hadi from his home and are advancing. If they push for Aden. The Saud and others will jump in.




    (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia is moving heavy military equipment including artillery to areas near its border with Yemen, U.S. officials said on Tuesday, raising the risk that the Middle East’s top oil power will be drawn into the worsening Yemeni conflict.

    The buildup follows a southward advance by Iranian-backed Houthi Shi'ite militants who took control of the capital Sanaa in September and seized the central city of Taiz at the weekend as they move closer to the new southern base of U.S.-supported President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi.

    Riyadh hosted top-level talks with Gulf Arab neighbours on Saturday that backed Hadi as Yemen's legitimate president and offered "all efforts" to preserve the country's stability.....snip~

    Exclusive - Saudi Arabia building up military near Yemen border: U.S. officials | Reuters
    And the Middle East continues to deteriorate.

    Another great success story for Obama!

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    And the Middle East continues to deteriorate.

    Another great success story for Obama!


    Heya RV. Its Official now.....the Shia have ran Hadi and his government out. They have captured the defense minister too.

    If the Saud and Sunni don't move in Asap.....this will become a proxy for Iran.

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The US backed the Shah in a complete takeover of the government. In the 1950's Iran was ruled by a constitutional monarchy. The Parliament voted to nationalize the oil industry in Iran and with US and British backing the Shah staged a coup and overthrew the government and instituted a dictatorship. That was an action that fueled arab nationalism and distrust of the west. Due to economic concerns the US set the stage for a dictator that would eventually be overthrown by an extreme arab nationalist theocracy.
    The Mossadegh-gave-us-Khomeini tale is a staple of leftist propaganda. It is repeated endlessly, apparently on the theory that false information, if repeated often enough without being challenged, comes to be accepted as fact. The U.S. and Britain put young, pro-Western Shah Pahlavi in power in 1943. They had been supplying Stalin's USSR through the risky northern sea route to Murmansk, and they wanted a stable Iran to provide an alternative southern route. So by 1953, he had already been shah, i.e. king, for a decade.

    Mohammed Mossadegh, an erratic and influential politician, had been engaging in intrigues against the Shah for years. Differences had grown between the Shah and Mossadegh and his allies on the issue of Iran's arrangements with Britain regarding oil royalties. Mossadegh also seemed to be cooperating pretty closely with the Iranian communists. The containment doctrine was very much alive, and so was Stalin, who only three years earlier had helped the North Koreans start a war that was still going on. President Truman had not felt the situation in Iran was serious enough to call for any intervention, but when Dwight Eisenhower took office he felt the risk of letting an important country on the fringe of the USSR fall under its control was too great to tolerate. So Mossadegh was eased out in what hardly even amounted to a coup, and Shah Pahlavi's rule reasserted.

    Is there a possibility that the Iranian revolution could of happened without US interference?
    Yes, a very good one. At just about the same time, Islamists were ascending just next door in Afghanistan, in that case in reaction to a communist, atheist government.

    That's always a possibility, but coup and takeover of the Shah
    To repeat, Reza Pahlavi had already been shah for ten years. He strengthened his control in 1953, but he didn't take over anything.

    Those troops were not seen as occupiers and they weren't under threat by the same civilian population that they were there to protect.
    Are you saying Barack Obama lied when he portrayed Iraq as pretty much pacified? There was no longer any substantial threat by the end of President Bush's second term, after the 2007 "surge" that quelled the jihadist threat in al Anbar.

    The Iraqi situation was a democratically elected government was calling for the removal of our troops. While the Prime Minister had the power to allow the US to extend troops involvement in the country any sort of immunity from prosecution would of required a vote in Parliament...and the votes weren't there.
    That makes a convenient excuse for what Barack Obama wanted to do anyway--withdraw all U.S. forces. With a strong U.S. force still there, Iraq was no more in a position to refuse the U.S. in 2009 than South Korea was in 1954. I am very sure Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, or any other strong U.S. president would not have passively taken no for an answer, but would have demanded--and gotten--the agreement on residual forces he wanted.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    True, but capability to project force and competing fronts is a reality for them that I think you are underappreciating.



    and what about our foreign policy for the last few years makes you think that we will actually do this?



    I could see that.

    Egypt is saying they will assist with Air Strikes if necessary. I am sure Qatar and the UAE will do their best to not target Shia Civilians.

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The Mossadegh-gave-us-Khomeini tale is a staple of leftist propaganda. It is repeated endlessly, apparently on the theory that false information, if repeated often enough without being challenged, comes to be accepted as fact. The U.S. and Britain put young, pro-Western Shah Pahlavi in power in 1943. They had been supplying Stalin's USSR through the risky northern sea route to Murmansk, and they wanted a stable Iran to provide an alternative southern route. So by 1953, he had already been shah, i.e. king, for a decade.

    Mohammed Mossadegh, an erratic and influential politician, had been engaging in intrigues against the Shah for years. Differences had grown between the Shah and Mossadegh and his allies on the issue of Iran's arrangements with Britain regarding oil royalties. Mossadegh also seemed to be cooperating pretty closely with the Iranian communists. The containment doctrine was very much alive, and so was Stalin, who only three years earlier had helped the North Koreans start a war that was still going on. President Truman had not felt the situation in Iran was serious enough to call for any intervention, but when Dwight Eisenhower took office he felt the risk of letting an important country on the fringe of the USSR fall under its control was too great to tolerate. So Mossadegh was eased out in what hardly even amounted to a coup, and Shah Pahlavi's rule reasserted.
    Hardly amounted to a coup? They took out the elected prime minister and executed him and some of his top advisers. A general hand picked by the US CIA as was to take over as PM based on a plan created by the CIA which utilized the Iranian military. By what definition is that not a coup?

    Yes, a very good one. At just about the same time, Islamists were ascending just next door in Afghanistan, in that case in reaction to a communist, atheist government.
    So an invasion by the USSR and a coup orchestrated by the US both led to a takeover by Islamic radicals.

    To repeat, Reza Pahlavi had already been shah for ten years. He strengthened his control in 1953, but he didn't take over anything.
    I guess the CIA declassified documents lie?

    Are you saying Barack Obama lied when he portrayed Iraq as pretty much pacified? There was no longer any substantial threat by the end of President Bush's second term, after the 2007 "surge" that quelled the jihadist threat in al Anbar.
    Are you saying that he was right? Seems that a sustantial threat did exist and the jihadist threat is pretty real in Iraq.

    That makes a convenient excuse for what Barack Obama wanted to do anyway--withdraw all U.S. forces. With a strong U.S. force still there, Iraq was no more in a position to refuse the U.S. in 2009 than South Korea was in 1954. I am very sure Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, or any other strong U.S. president would not have passively taken no for an answer, but would have demanded--and gotten--the agreement on residual forces he wanted.
    Sure, they would of overthrown regimes, go against democratic majorities or whatever else it took. We are dealing with the results their heavy handed actions to this day. There's a reason we aren't very popular in the arab world and in latin America...
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Has Iran said anything about the Sauds build up on the border, or Egypt and others talking about using Air Strikes?

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