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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Let that part of the world take care of itself.
    And a few years from now, it'll become our problem when the next major terrorist attack occurs on our soil.

    You idiot Isolationists just don't get it. You can't just ignore the problem and hope it goes away. IT WON'T GO AWAY!

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't believe President Obama is leading a conspiracy, but I do believe he's intellectually lazy and the Middle East doesn't interest him at all. Fights with Congress and his personal life interest him far more. As a result, he has no focus on what's happening in the world as a result of his laziness.
    If it doesn't involve golfing, he doesn't give a **** about it.

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    ... I never said that ...
    It appears the ongoing implication.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It appears the ongoing implication.
    I didn't imply that. You made an inaccurate inference based on information that did not originate from me or my posts. I don't mind if you make comments that have little to do with the information in my posts, but I would humbly ask that you refrain from quoting me when you do.

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The US backed the Shah in a complete takeover of the government. In the 1950's Iran was ruled by a constitutional monarchy. The Parliament voted to nationalize the oil industry in Iran and with US and British backing the Shah staged a coup and overthrew the government and instituted a dictatorship. That was an action that fueled arab nationalism and distrust of the west. Due to economic concerns the US set the stage for a dictator that would eventually be overthrown by an extreme arab nationalist theocracy.

    Is there a possibility that the Iranian revolution could of happened without US interference? That's always a possibility, but coup and takeover of the Shah as well as the view that the Shah was a puppet of the west definitely played a part in motivating the revolution.


    I want to point out that the troops left in South Korea were to protect South Korea from a foreign invasion. Those troops were not seen as occupiers and they weren't under threat by the same civilian population that they were there to protect. The Iraqi situation was a democratically elected government was calling for the removal of our troops. While the Prime Minister had the power to allow the US to extend troops involvement in the country any sort of immunity from prosecution would of required a vote in Parliament...and the votes weren't there.

    I think the disaster was the initial invasion of Iraq in the first place. Hindsight is 20/20 but it was a very large undertaking and has completely changed the dynamics of the middle east in a lot of different ways.
    I don't disagree with your take on the majority of your post but I did want to address your last point. In my view, the invasion of Iraq wasn't a disaster but the first couple of months, led by the US person in charge, Bremer, was a disaster. Bremer totally botched the victory. The Iraqi people did, indeed, meet the US forces as liberators and were very happy to see them. Bremer then proceeded to send the entire Iraqi military home with their arms and equipment with no jobs and nothing to do. He should have taken that military, with new leaders, and used it to secure large areas of Iraq and assist in the transition to a new democratic leadership. Instead, he created armed enemies of the new Iraqi leadership and in effect doomed the peace. 20/20 is hindsight, and if known, Bremer should never have set foot in Iraq.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    If it doesn't involve golfing, he doesn't give a **** about it.
    In fairness, he's really into March Madness right now.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    And a few years from now, it'll become our problem when the next major terrorist attack occurs on our soil.

    You idiot Isolationists just don't get it. You can't just ignore the problem and hope it goes away. IT WON'T GO AWAY!
    Back off on the invectives and calm down.

    Once you are in-country be sure and let us know how it's working out backing the good guys of the moment.










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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    KSA has ISIL on their northern border, a semi-hostile "frenemy" relationship with Washington, an ongoing threat to Bahrain, and need to pour resources into maintaining a capability against a surging Iran across the strait.

    I'm not saying they won't project force - but capability and sustainability for what you are talking about becomes a question.
    For the past few years, Saudi Arabia has made containment of Iran in the Middle East its primary foreign policy issue. The Yemen crisis is a good time for Riyadh to prove that it is indeed serious about diminishing Iran's influence. Obviously, we should provide the Saudis with whatever military or logistical capabilities that they'd need to crush the Houthi movement. I can also anticipate Qatar and the UAE joining the Saudis as part of a coalition effort against the Houthis.
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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    ...the Shah... would have remained in power with the support of the US had the US been able to convince the Shah to alter his rule - similar situation to Mubarak in Egypt.
    One of the arguments made about the rise of the Iranian Revolution is that the U.S. pressed the Shah to move with reform too quickly (almost a variant of a contemporary strain of thought that democracy can easily be achieved by leadership decisions/changes of leadership). As governance authority began eroding with the reforms, that vacuum was skillfully exploited by a radical movement that made no secret that it was not a democratic, but an Islamist one. The Ayatollah's writings were very clear. The Revolution was not a democratic or liberal movement.

    IMO, even as it is an unpopular thought, I believe the U.S. made a strategic error in not backing the Shah early on when the radical revolution was in its infancy and could readily have been quashed. U.S. hesitation and later withdrawal of support for the Shah, drained Iran's military of the appetite to suppress the uprising, leading to its spread to a scale that subsequently brought down Iran's government. Today, Iran is not democratic, though the people can elect some officials, even as power resides with the unelected Clerics. Furthermore, Iran is playing an active role in destabilizing parts of the Middle East (via Hezbollah, its support for the Houthi rebellion in Yemen, etc.) and seeking regional hegemony.

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    Re: U.S. Flees Yemen

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    For the past few years, Saudi Arabia has made containment of Iran in the Middle East its primary foreign policy issue. The Yemen crisis is a good time for Riyadh to prove that it is indeed serious about diminishing Iran's influence. Obviously, we should provide the Saudis with whatever military or logistical capabilities that they'd need to crush the Houthi movement. I can also anticipate Qatar and the UAE joining the Saudis as part of a coalition effort against the Houthis.
    Saudi Arabia may well be reviewing its options, including military ones: Exclusive: Saudi Arabia building up military near Yemen border - U.S. officials | Reuters

    IMO, Saudi Arabia made an enormous contribution to regional stability when it played a leading role with the Gulf Cooperation Council in turning aside a rising Shia revolution in Bahrain in 2011. Had that uprising unfolded and swept away Bahrain's government, Iran would almost certainly have a satellite in a critical area by which it would have much greater ability to choke off Persian Gulf shipping and the U.S. would also have lost a strategic naval base.

    On a separate note, I am somewhat disturbed about the lack of U.S. support for Yemen's embattled President who supported U.S. counterterrorism efforts in his country at great risk. This lack of support for allies again raises questions about the credibility of U.S. commitments and, if U.S. commitments are seen as less than credible, such an outcome will have adverse implications for U.S. interests.
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