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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Romney said that too and Obama laughed, literally, laughed in the debate.

    Now the world is laughing at Obama, and we are ashamed to call him our "president".
    I'm not ashamed. As been pointed out before when it comes to Russia we don't have many options. Bush didn't have many options when Putin took Georgia, and we don't have many options now concerning the Ukraine.

    Besides, no matter how Obama handles it the people with ODS would criticize him anyway.
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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    I'm not ashamed. As been pointed out before when it comes to Russia we don't have many options. Bush didn't have many options when Putin took Georgia, and we don't have many options now concerning the Ukraine.

    Besides, no matter how Obama handles it the people with ODS would criticize him anyway.
    Remember, Obama LIFTED the sanctions that were already on Russia when he became President. So obviously Obama didn't listen to his predecessors.

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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Remember, Obama LIFTED the sanctions that were already on Russia when he became President. So obviously Obama didn't listen to his predecessors.
    Don't go with the 'he didn't listen' nonsense. Bush didn't listen to Clinton either. Clinton didn't listen to Bush 1. They all want to start over, to flex their own foreign policy muscles.

    When Putin acted like an ass again Obama then put sanctions back on Russia. Because like I said, like it or not, no matter who's in the wh we don't have many options when it comes to Russia. Putin's not an idiot, he knows there's little we can do.
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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    I'm not ashamed. As been pointed out before when it comes to Russia we don't have many options. Bush didn't have many options when Putin took Georgia, and we don't have many options now concerning the Ukraine.

    Besides, no matter how Obama handles it the people with ODS would criticize him anyway.
    How can you not be ashamed? Obama didn't see the Russian threat and mocked those that did. He likely found out about it on television.

    He was equally blindsided by ISIS (the JV team), calling Iraq a success-and then losing the peace there.

    He's a foreign policy disaster-the worst Ive ever seen, and he's consistently outmatched by other world leaders.

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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And if there is nothing.. they fall to earth and do what exactly?

    Sorry but it is utterly bs that a missile can be "defensive" only. That is like saying a gun is only defensive...
    A clear distinction between offensive and defensive does not actually exist. In the world of nuclear deterrence these terms are attached to weapons systems and seem implicitly to be an indication of the political intentions of the actor using them: aggressor or defender. But American strategists see the missile shield as part of the complete US strike force, the strategic triad. This consists of conventional and nuclear attack systems, passive and active defence (which includes the missile shield) and the supporting structure, such as the industrial base and the information system.[vi]

    For these reasons it makes no sense to describe the missile shield as purely defensive, as it forms part of a whole that can be used both offensively and defensively. It can be compared to the shield and sword of a Greek hoplite or, on an operational level, the equipment of a Greek phalanx, a formation which used shields against an attack, then counter-attacked with sword and spear.

    The missile shield is also regarded as part of a future strategy for space warfare. An envisaged arms race in space would then involve, in defiance of existing agreements, the permanent stationing of weapons systems in orbit.[vii] To date the United States have resisted treaty proposals aimed at preventing this.[viii]

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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Putin has no justification to get upset about NATO countries with ABMs as long as he has them as well.
    Russian/Soviet Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems

    This is just the typical Putin tactic of trying to bully others around him nothing more.
    The world will be a much better place once the Russians remove him from power.
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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The West could say the same of Russia's anti-missile systems. There is a S-400 battalion (8 launchers/32 missiles) located in Kaliningrad, right next door to the Baltic NATO nations.
    The US indeed could say that.
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    Re: Russia threatens Denmark with nuclear weapons if it tries to join Nato defence sh

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To begin with, you mischaracterize my position. Saying never and always fails. I'm very supportive of USFP with regards to Iran and Cuba for example. You suggesting that Denmark becoming a part of NATO MDS isn't a threat to Russia doesn't negate Russia's claim that it threatens their own nuclear deterrent. Also, as pointed out by several of us posters here, the Russian warning to Denmark has been mischaracterized as an immediate nuclear strike upon Denmark should they deploy. Russia, China, France and Germany have all complained of the threat to global security posed by the US unipolar power. They all wish to see it checked, not advanced. These US "interests" to which you refer are hegemony and dominance as well as military adventurism that is concerning to much of the world.

    The US had an opportunity to demonstrate to Russia that NATO's missile defense system would not compromise Russian defense by accepting Russia's compromise deal. But the US declined that. The Rand Corp. is still arguing that Russia should be offered some level of participation in any system to resign any of their concerns.
    Despite all your attempts at avoiding the main point of my post you still don't seem to want to answer the question of why you condem the U.S. for looking out for our best intrest but defend Russia for doing the same. It is in the US best intrest to attempt to increase our dominance both economically and militarily.
    In what reality or what country in the world do you think would not try and be the dominate country in the world if they could. Do you think if Russia or Germany had the opertunity to become the worlds sole super power do you not think they would not only take it but seek to increase their dominance. Do you honestly think that no matter what country was the superpower was every other country would wish to see that country's lead checked.

    For some reason you seem to only be against the U.S. acting in our own best intrest. You even condem us for not wanting to weaken our position by agreeing to the Russians compromise which was a great deal for them not so much for us.

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    Re: Russia threatens Denmark with nuclear weapons if it tries to join Nato defence sh

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Despite all your attempts at avoiding the main point of my post you still don't seem to want to answer the question of why you condem the U.S. for looking out for our best intrest but defend Russia for doing the same. It is in the US best intrest to attempt to increase our dominance both economically and militarily.
    In what reality or what country in the world do you think would not try and be the dominate country in the world if they could. Do you think if Russia or Germany had the opertunity to become the worlds sole super power do you not think they would not only take it but seek to increase their dominance. Do you honestly think that no matter what country was the superpower was every other country would wish to see that country's lead checked.

    For some reason you seem to only be against the U.S. acting in our own best intrest. You even condem us for not wanting to weaken our position by agreeing to the Russians compromise which was a great deal for them not so much for us.
    Because I disagree with you and anybody else that thinks what takes place on Russia's borders are a greater interest to US security than to Russia's. I also disagree with you that the US needs to be exerting more influence, military might and hegemony. How would it be a better deal for Russia than the US to have them involved in the monitoring of any NATO shields that would protect from supposed Iranian, Pakistani, North Korean, etc., missile strikes?
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    Re: Russia threatens Denmark with nuclear weapons if it tries to join Nato defence sh

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Because I disagree with you and anybody else that thinks what takes place on Russia's borders are a greater interest to US security than to Russia's. I also disagree with you that the US needs to be exerting more influence, military might and hegemony. How would it be a better deal for Russia than the US to have them involved in the monitoring of any NATO shields that would protect from supposed Iranian, Pakistani, North Korean, etc., missile strikes?
    Why should the US care what is in Russia's security interests . The US should be looking out for our and our allied countries security not what is best for Russia. Do you really think Russia cares about our security our makes foreign policy decisions on if it's in our interests or theirs.

    Please show me one country in the history of the world that has not looked to expand its influence or power. Give me a break.
    If I remember right you have in the past justified Russia invading a foreign country and annexing part of it because it is for their security but now you are against the US and its allies having a defensive weapon system. Why is that. Why is Russia's security concerns more justified than ours.
    Last edited by braindrain; 03-25-15 at 10:10 PM.

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