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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And if there is nothing.. they fall to earth and do what exactly?

    Sorry but it is utterly bs that a missile can be "defensive" only. That is like saying a gun is only defensive...
    A missle can either be offensive or defensive depending on what it was built for. You cannot expect to use a sidewinder to take out an ICBM any more than you would attempt to use a SM-3 to take out an airfield. I missle is much much more than just an exploive payload strapped to a rocket.
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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And if there is nothing.. they fall to earth and do what exactly?
    You still don't get it. There IS a missile. Ground/sea/satellite radar has been tracking it since launch. In addition, the SM-3 is under manual command until its infrared sensor acquires the target.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sorry but it is utterly bs that a missile can be "defensive" only. That is like saying a gun is only defensive...
    You obviously don't know what you are talking about concerning the NATO anti-missile defense system.


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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The wall and rifle analogy was an analogy. Russia has more nukes than the US, and they are openly aggressive. Much like Reagan knew during the Cold War, its much more difficult to paint a purely defensive missile shield as an escalation.
    The analogy demonstrates why building the missile shield destabilizes things. The Cold War didn't go hot, mutually assured destruction is why.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The US had a monopoly on the bomb for 4 years and Truman didn't use it against Russia despite the Berlin airlift and Russia's political annexation of Eastern Europe so he had plenty of provocation. Had those roles been reversed and Stalin had it first how do you think the world would be today ? Looking at current attempts at intimidating Denmark and Russia's ongoing inability to embrace true democracy its not like they have changed all that much since then. Historically all Russia has ever respected is force or the threat of it
    You're so close. Flip it around. Look at this from Russia's perspective. Do you really think they view you any more favorably than you view them?

    These people have spent their entire lives being told that Americans want to destroy them.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Except when it comes to Russia right ? Good grief !



    And as I have illustrated with multiple sources those threats are non existent. They are simply Russias excuse to indulge in a spot of empire rebuilding and thereby massage the ego of one man



    Once again I put it to you. Why are Russia's security concerns of more importance and worthy of more credence than those of her neighbours ?

    Please quantify this alleged greater threat Russia now faces in light of considerable NATO force reductions on its borders over the last 25 years ?

    Please explain how an ABM system threatens anyone elses security ?
    Russia has maintained that the system is a threat to their own nuclear deterrent. Can you explain why they would argue that, if it's not true? Russia made a compromise deal that Bush rejected, which only served to reinforce Russia's concerns.

    Even the hawkish Rand Corporation suggested that any such system deployed should be shared with Russia on some level in order to resign Russian concerns. The US still is reticent to do that.

    It might be useful to reassure Russia about the future evolution of U.S. missile defense systems. Giving Russia access to interceptor data, such as burnout velocity, is one prominent suggestion.
    The United States could bolster the offer by emphasizing the possibility of developing a joint U.S.-Russian data exchange center focused on monitoring missile launches. It might help demonstrate to Russia the limitations of current U.S. early-warning and missile tracking systems against Russian ICBMs.
    http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR957.html

    So you may deny Russian concerns all you wish. It won't make them go away.
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    Re: Russia threatens Denmark with nuclear weapons if it tries to join Nato defence sh

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    May I ask why you attack virtually every single foreign policy of the U.S. but have no issues defending Ruissia when they makes threats to a country that has never attacked them and pose no real threat to them and simply want a way to protect their country from nuclear attack. Would you also defend the U.S. if it made such threats. Judging by your posting history I think we all know the answer to that.
    You never once seem to miss an opportunity to attack the U.S. for looking out for its best interest and the intrest of the US economy but somehow it is perfectly acceptable to you for Russia to do the same. Why is that.
    To begin with, you mischaracterize my position. Saying never and always fails. I'm very supportive of USFP with regards to Iran and Cuba for example. You suggesting that Denmark becoming a part of NATO MDS isn't a threat to Russia doesn't negate Russia's claim that it threatens their own nuclear deterrent. Also, as pointed out by several of us posters here, the Russian warning to Denmark has been mischaracterized as an immediate nuclear strike upon Denmark should they deploy. Russia, China, France and Germany have all complained of the threat to global security posed by the US unipolar power. They all wish to see it checked, not advanced. These US "interests" to which you refer are hegemony and dominance as well as military adventurism that is concerning to much of the world.

    The US had an opportunity to demonstrate to Russia that NATO's missile defense system would not compromise Russian defense by accepting Russia's compromise deal. But the US declined that. The Rand Corp. is still arguing that Russia should be offered some level of participation in any system to resign any of their concerns.
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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    He asked questions, you didn't answer.
    Answers he didn't like!
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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Your analogy is highly flawed. Anti-missile defense systems are not engineered for offensive purposes. That would be like imagining a television could mow the lawn.
    But that's the strawman argument and not Russia's, which is that it compromises their own nuclear deterrent.
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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Russia has maintained that the system is a threat to their own nuclear deterrent.
    The West could say the same of Russia's anti-missile systems. There is a S-400 battalion (8 launchers/32 missiles) located in Kaliningrad, right next door to the Baltic NATO nations.


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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    I said it before and I'll keep saying it. Putin is the most dangerous person in the world right now. He is much more dangerous than ISIS, or any of those groups.
    Romney said that too and Obama laughed, literally, laughed in the debate.

    Now the world is laughing at Obama, and we are ashamed to call him our "president".

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