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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Instead of all the handwringing over Russian sensibilities lets get a NATO perspective on all of this. After all there are many countries who's existence is potentially threatened by the possibility of similar action taken against them as Russia has done with Ukraine.

    http://www.nato.int/cps/eu/natohq/topics_111767.htm



    The Russian view simply does not bear any scrutiny. It is simply being used as an excuse for their actions in Ukraine. There is no NATO threat to it as the continued defence cuts in most of its member states can attest. Conversely Russian military expansion is massive

    Giri Rajendran: What now for European defence spending? | IISS



    So far it has been Russia doing all the triggering



    How can a totally defensive system threaten Russian national security ? Did the Maginot line threaten German security ? Given continued NATO disarmament here is something very much threatening Europes security

    Russian Defense Budget to Hit Record $81 Billion in 2015 | Business | The Moscow Times

    This level of defence spending is three times the NATO average
    So they're threats to each other. Lol, Russian defense budget is about how much the US looses in waste, fraud and abuse. Funny that you'd point to the Russian defense budget as a threat to NATO, when the combined NATO countries defense budgets together with the US's is the very proof that Russia needs to be concerned, and of course many NATO countries are engaged with the US in economic warfare with Russia. I've already educated you on Russia/Ukraine, in other threads.

    Here's the point, Russia's not going to be pushed around anymore, AND THEYVE SAID SO!
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    Re: Russia threatens Denmark with nuclear weapons if it tries to join Nato defence sh

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    Russia has threatened to target Denmark’s warships with nuclear weapons if the Scandinavian nation becomes a member of Nato’s missile defence shield.

    Russia threatens Denmark with nuclear weapons if it tries to join Nato defence shield - Europe - World - The Independent

    Putin knows damn well what a nuclear attack on a NATO member means, this is the last straw, this man Adolf Putler needs to be stopped by any means necessary, it is incumbent on any person in the world capable of doing so to assassinate this insane genocidal monster.
    Denmark has been under the gun, and almost certainly still is under the gun if a general European war were to break out. This is just a flagging autocrat puffing up his chest.

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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So they're threats to each other.
    Only one side is doing the threatening, the rearming and the invading its neighbours whilst the other isn't . I'm still awaiting your answers to my previous questions

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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Only one side is doing the threatening, the rearming and the invading its neighbours whilst the other isn't . I'm still awaiting your answers to my previous questions
    You can ignore my answers all you wish. You destroyed your own argument about threats pointing to the growing Russian military expenditures. If that's the yardstick of threat level, then as I already explained to you, the combined NATO countries and US military expenditures pose a grave threat for Russia. And I'll remind you that Russia isn't concerned about you, and your opinion, they're concerned about addressing their own external threats and their interests.

    Besides that, I don't need a schooling from you on imperialism. The British empire obviously believed it was in their interest to colonize the entire world, set out to achieve it, did a hell of a job toward that end, and the effects of it are still being felt in corners of the world. And your wringing your hands over Putin.
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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You can ignore my answers all you wish.
    What answers ? You haven't answered a single one yet and I'll keep asking them until you do

    You destroyed your own argument about threats pointing to the growing Russian military expenditures. If that's the yardstick of threat level, then as I already explained to you, the combined NATO countries and US military expenditures pose a grave threat for Russia
    Why is the vastly reduced NATO expenditures on defence today seen as an increasing threat to Russia but conversely Russia greatly increasing expenditures seen as the opposite ? You've been given the figures

    And I'll remind you that Russia isn't concerned about you, and your opinion, they're concerned about addressing their own external threats and their interests.
    Much to the chagrin of the sovereignty and right to self determination of its neighbours right ? Why are Russias rights deemed by you to be more important than anyone else's ?

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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What answers ? You haven't answered a single one yet and I'll keep asking them until you do



    Why is the vastly reduced NATO expenditures on defence today seen as an increasing threat to Russia but conversely Russia greatly increasing expenditures seen as the opposite ? You've been given the figures



    Much to the chagrin of the sovereignty and right to self determination of its neighbours right ? Why are Russias rights deemed by you to be more important than anyone else's ?
    I haven't discussed rights, that's you. Although you don't, you should know that there's no such thing as national rights. Do you have the political, economic and military capital to force your interests and security, that's it. Russia, as I already pointed out when I quoted Medvedev's first SOTUS, has articulated what they consider as threats to their security. Why do you keep arguing so. You can't be expected to understand what Russians, Chinese or Iranians feel to be threats to their security and interests, your far too patronizing to be objective on this.
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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I haven't discussed rights, that's you. Although you don't, you should know that there's no such thing as national rights.
    Except when it comes to Russia right ? Good grief !

    Do you have the political, economic and military capital to force your interests and security, that's it. Russia, as I already pointed out when I quoted Medvedev's first SOTUS, has articulated what they consider as threats to their security.
    And as I have illustrated with multiple sources those threats are non existent. They are simply Russias excuse to indulge in a spot of empire rebuilding and thereby massage the ego of one man

    Why do you keep arguing so. You can't be expected to understand what Russians, Chinese or Iranians feel to be threats to their security and interests, your far too patronizing to be objective on this.
    Once again I put it to you. Why are Russia's security concerns of more importance and worthy of more credence than those of her neighbours ?

    Please quantify this alleged greater threat Russia now faces in light of considerable NATO force reductions on its borders over the last 25 years ?

    Please explain how an ABM system threatens anyone elses security ?

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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Please explain how an ABM system threatens anyone elses security ?
    Imagine you and I don't like each other. (tough, I know!) We both have guns pointed at each other. If either pulls the trigger, the other will too. We both die.

    Now picture I am also building a wall of bricks as we sit in this standoff. Eventually the wall will be high enough to protect me from your gun (with a slot I can still aim and fire through to kill you). Eventually, I will have the ability to kill you and you will lack the ability to retaliate.

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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Please explain how an ABM system threatens anyone elses security ?
    Any defensive weapons system can be used as an offensive weapons system. Case in point.. anti-aircraft guns. They are defensive, and yet were often used offensively during WW2.
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    Re: Russia Threatens Nuclear Armaggedon

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Putin is not the Czar of Russia and if he ordered a nuclear attack the result would, instead, be his assassination (likely presented publicly as his having a heart attack.) The structure of the Russian military is not like that of the USA. It is far more independent of the civil government.

    Putin is dangerous in terms of regional expansion goals and potentially causing troubles in various countries. But he is not a threat of nuclear war. He does not have the power to unilaterally order a nuclear strike.
    Tell that to the Ukraine.
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