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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

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    I'll call out you (or anyone) whenever I see an attempt to manipulate/falsify history in order to promote a political/ideological agenda.
    ****ing bull****. All your calling out is your own ignorance of the facts. I posted documentation of the CIA's involvement in Saddam Hussein's rise to power. I see nothing from you but an opinion. You think the CIA was playing Lincoln Logs with Saddam Hussein when he was 22 for Christ's sake.
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I appreciate your attempt. Your talking to a Canadian, who lives in Costa Rica, his opinion is moot.
    None of us live in Iraq or Iran so all are equally qualified to comment. You seem to have spent a lot of time in Iraq, especially when Saddam was 22.

    Tell me, what was Saddam really like in those early years?

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    None of us live in Iraq or Iran so all are equally qualified to comment. You seem to have spent a lot of time in Iraq, especially when Saddam was 22.

    Tell me, what was Saddam really like in those early years?
    Well, you have a point there. He was an ornery little rascal.
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

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    Bs!


    Iran militia chief: Destroying Israel is ‘nonnegotiable’

    Basij commander Mohammad Reza Naqdi also threatens Saudis, saying their fate will be like that of Saddam Hussein


    The commander of the Basij militia of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards said that “erasing Israel off the map” is “nonnegotiable,” according to an Israel Radio report Tuesday.

    [...]

    In 2014, Naqdi said Iran was stepping up efforts to arm West Bank Palestinians for battle against Israel, adding the move would lead to Israel’s annihilation, Iran’s Fars news agency reported.

    “Arming the West Bank has started and weapons will be supplied to the people of this region,” Naqdi said.

    “The Zionists should know that the next war won’t be confined to the present borders and the Mujahedeen will push them back,” he added. Naqdi claimed that much of Hamas’s arsenal, training and technical knowhow in the summer conflict with Israel was supplied by Iran.

    [...]

    Iran militia chief: Destroying Israel is 'nonnegotiable' | The Times of Israel

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    Another cherry picked quote from a single Iranian from Israeli sources noted for a long history of self serving deceptions & deliberate mistranslations is hardly indicative of Iran's propensity for developing & using nuclear weapons.

    Remember that the Israelis were among those who fed the US deceptive Intel. prior to the last war the Israeli government wanted the US to fight for them. The current Israeli government even more fervent now & more prone to more plentiful & outrageous deceptions. Meanwhile, Iran has still attacked on one in 300 years.

    Have you even lightly considered the long range & widespread carnage, environmental disaster, damage to US interests etc an unprovoked attack on Iran would incur?

    Do you have the least concern for the lives of the thousands of loyal Americans currently serving in the Region or Iran's Jewish community?

    I've cited a more impartial source ( below) as exposing the infamously fraudulent "Wipe Israel off of the Face of the map" as being a deliberate mistranslation intended to deceive those who aren't fluent in Farsi & are unfamiliar with Mid East / Cent. Asian realities.

    There is far more proof that pro-War individuals, institutions & States will resort to any deception or False Flag attack than evidence that Iran will launch an unprovoked War.

    History is simply repeating itself after only a few years.

    Please remember that the same time "proof" of Iraq's WMDs, Yellowcake etc were dominating News headlines, Israeli lobbies were "quietly" pressuring Congress to approve "the use of force" against Iraq on false premises:

    “Quietly lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq was one of AIPAC’s successes over the past year”
    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun; Jan. ’03


    All we have to show for our gullibility is seemingly endless Mid East carnage and underfunded, overcrowded V.A. hospitals where mangled, burned & traumatized, young Americans languish unmentioned while fresh War mongers peddle old deceptions.


    Please Note:


    “'Hitler' does New York”
    Asia Times Online :: Middle East News - 'Hitler' does New York

    EXCERPT “ Humming non-stop in the background noise was the "wipe Israel of the map" myth.

    No one had the intellectual decency to point out that what he really said, in Farsi, in a speech on October 2005 to an annual anti-Zionist conference in Iran, was that "the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

    He was doing no more than quoting the late ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini - hoping that an unfair (toward Palestine) regime would be replaced by another one more equitable; he was not threatening to nuke Israel. Warmongers anyway don't bother to check the facts.”CONTINUED

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    DECEPTIVE MISTRANSLATIONS; CONSIDER THE SOURCE


    Deliberate mistranslations of Farsi seem to be more prevalent than a few isolated incidents.

    Photos of banners and placards in photos of Iranians may read "Death to America / Israel" in English but in reality the Farsi translation is far more benign.

    Not only has Ahmadinejad's speech been mistranslated but so have those of other Iranian leaders to paint Iran with a more malevolent brush than is accurate.


    Rather than transcribe the following article, I'll only cite Excerpts & hope that readers looking for the truth about what Iranians have REALLY said:



    “Did Ahmadinejad really say Israel should be ‘wiped off the map’?”
    Did Ahmadinejad really say Israel should be ‘wiped off the map’? - The Washington Post
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    EXCERPTS “Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project pointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse.

    “Khomeini gave a speech in which he said in Persian “Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.”

    This means, “This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time.”*

    But then anonymous wire service translators rendered Khomeini as saying that Israel “must be wiped off the face of the map,” which Cole and Nourouzi say is inaccurate.

    Joshua Teitelbaum of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs compiled an interesting collection of photographs of these banners, such as one on the building that houses reserve military forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. “Israel should be wiped out of the face of the world,” the sign reads in English

    Sadjadpour, who has closely studied the statements of Khamenei, said that the supreme leader has spoken more on the question of Israel than any other issue, which is remarkable given that Iran shares no border with Israel and that the Jewish state has virtually no impact on the daily lives of Iranians.

    Sadjadpour said Khamenei has been consistent, stating repeatedly that the goal is not the military destruction of the Jewish state but “the defeat of Zionist ideology and the dissolution of Israel through a ‘popular referendum.’”


    Karim Sadjadpour, an Iranian specialist at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,”CONTINUED

    . . . .

    Since even US Presidents have repeated deliberately translated quotes leaving millions to believe that Iran is far more hostile toward Israel & the US than in reality, the result has been an extensively deceived Western world.

    The tragic result is that IF there is to be a WW 3 evolving from a War on Iran, it will be as most wars:


    "One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are NOT fighting."
    George Orwell, 1938

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
    Another cherry picked quote from a single Iranian from Israeli sources noted for a long history of self serving deceptions & deliberate mistranslations is hardly indicative of Iran's propensity for developing & using nuclear weapons.

    Remember that the Israelis were among those who fed the US deceptive Intel. prior to the last war the Israeli government wanted the US to fight for them. The current Israeli government even more fervent now & more prone to more plentiful & outrageous deceptions. Meanwhile, Iran has still attacked on one in 300 years.

    Have you even lightly considered the long range & widespread carnage, environmental disaster, damage to US interests etc an unprovoked attack on Iran would incur?

    Do you have the least concern for the lives of the thousands of loyal Americans currently serving in the Region or Iran's Jewish community?

    I've cited a more impartial source ( below) as exposing the infamously fraudulent "Wipe Israel off of the Face of the map" as being a deliberate mistranslation intended to deceive those who aren't fluent in Farsi & are unfamiliar with Mid East / Cent. Asian realities.

    There is far more proof that pro-War individuals, institutions & States will resort to any deception or False Flag attack than evidence that Iran will launch an unprovoked War.

    History is simply repeating itself after only a few years.

    Please remember that the same time "proof" of Iraq's WMDs, Yellowcake etc were dominating News headlines, Israeli lobbies were "quietly" pressuring Congress to approve "the use of force" against Iraq on false premises:

    “Quietly lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq was one of AIPAC’s successes over the past year”
    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun; Jan. ’03


    All we have to show for our gullibility is seemingly endless Mid East carnage and underfunded, overcrowded V.A. hospitals where mangled, burned & traumatized, young Americans languish unmentioned while fresh War mongers peddle old deceptions.


    Please Note:


    “'Hitler' does New York”
    Asia Times Online :: Middle East News - 'Hitler' does New York

    EXCERPT “ Humming non-stop in the background noise was the "wipe Israel of the map" myth.

    No one had the intellectual decency to point out that what he really said, in Farsi, in a speech on October 2005 to an annual anti-Zionist conference in Iran, was that "the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

    He was doing no more than quoting the late ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini - hoping that an unfair (toward Palestine) regime would be replaced by another one more equitable; he was not threatening to nuke Israel. Warmongers anyway don't bother to check the facts.”CONTINUED


    As I already stated. Bs!
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

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    As I already stated. Bs!
    OOOOOhhh,,, There's a convincing argument!
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OOOOOhhh,,, There's a convincing argument!
    Pardon?
    Did I make an argument or did I dismiss the crap he is spewing as it should be?
    Clearly you absurdly think bs needs to be debated whereas I do not.
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Pardon?
    Did I make an argument or did I dismiss the crap he is spewing as it should be?
    Clearly you absurdly think bs needs to be debated whereas I do not.
    They why respond to the post?
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They why respond to the post?
    Are you not clear as to what the information I provided supports?

    As for calling his diatribe bs? It is. Nothing more needs be stated.
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