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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

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    Who could forget that photo of Saddam & Cheney hand in hand?
    You feel, in this case, that foreign leaders or their representatives shaking hands when they meet is more deeply significant than this regular custom suggests? https://www.google.ca/search?q=stali...Q&ved=0CBwQsAQ

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Since when does genocide, invading neighbors, rape rooms, the seeking of nuclear weapons, and breaking international laws mean a dictatorship is "stable". You must have an odd definition of the word.

    Iran owned Iraq before Obama came along? When was that?

    If your accusations were true, most historians would say that you just described most of the existing nuclear powers who admit & don't admit having a nuclear arsenal (except for the "Iran owned...." part)

    What does this have to do with the veracity of "Death to America" & Nuclear Talks?

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
    If your accusations were true, most historians would say that you just described most of the existing nuclear powers who admit & don't admit having a nuclear arsenal (except for the "Iran owned...." part)

    What does this have to do with the veracity of "Death to America" & Nuclear Talks?
    That was addressed to another poster concerning Iraq.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Indeed,

    US intelligence helped Saddam's Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem.
    https://www.globalpolicy.org/iraq-co...ss-regime.html
    There are no links, footnotes, or documents offered above verifying the "suggestion" that the US put Saddam in power as a response to Iran (as Amadeus claimed). The US did sometimes support the Iraqi Ba'ath Party due to its strong anti-Communist ideology, but there is no evidence that the CIA had any role in Saddam's ascent to internal power in the 1970's. CIA activities in Iraq

    Saddam came to ultimate power in the years 1975-1979 and helped broker agreements* with the Shah of Iran ... agreements that only fell apart in 1979 with the Khomeini Iranian revolution.

    * Algiers Agreement (1975)
    * Treaty Concerning the Frontier and Neighborly Relations between Iran and Iraq (1975)
    * Protocol Concerning the Delimitation of the River Frontier between Iran and Iraq (1975)

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Saddam Key in Early CIA Plot (April 10, 2003)
    According to former US intelligence officials and diplomats, the CIA's relationship with Saddam Hussein dates back to 1959, when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad that attempted to assassinate Iraqi Prime Minister Abd al-Karim Qasim. (United Press International)

    A Tyrant Forty Years in the Making (March 14, 2003)
    Roger Morris writes of the "regime change" carried out by the CIA in Iraq forty years ago. Among the CIA's actions were attempted political assassinations and the handing over of a list of suspected communists and leftists that led to the deaths of thousands of Iraqis at the hands of Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath Party. (New York Times)

    The Riegle Report (1994)
    This report by the Senate Banking Committee analyzes the US's exports of warfare-related goods to Iraq and their possible impact on the health consequences of the Gulf War. The report concludes that the US provided Iraq "with 'dual-use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programs." (Gulflink)

    In February, Kassem is assassinated by members of the Ba'ath Party and the CIA helps the Ba'athists by providing lists of suspected communists for the party's hit squads, who kill an estimated 800 people. Saddam returns home and rejoins the party as an interrogator, torturer and killer. Nine months later, the army overthrows the Ba'ath Party and Saddam is jailed. He is said to have studied the political tactics of Hitler and Stalin while in prison.
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    When you were there while the Shah was in power there were over 100= 150,000 Jews in Iran. Now there are less than 9,000.

    If "Death to the Israel" or "Death To America" is hyperbole, why repeat it? Are they so unsophisticated that they don't understand the significance of these words? If that is the case, as you claim, then how in the world can we expect these backward people to possess nuclear weapons?

    Sharing a lunch with some Iranians over 40 years ago was probably a wonderful experience but the world is having to deal with the Iran of today.

    https://www.google.ca/search?q=iran+...g&ved=0CBwQsAQ
    I don't know whether B'smith is right or not, but I do know that phrases translated from one language into another quite frequently change meanings. The famous statement by Krushchev, for example "We will bury you" was better translated as "We will leave you in the dust," not meant to be a threat but a challenge.

    The "wipe Israel off of the face of the Earth" and "Death to America" phrases could well be the same thing.
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Saddam Key in Early CIA Plot (April 10, 2003)
    According to former US intelligence officials and diplomats, the CIA's relationship with Saddam Hussein dates back to 1959, when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad that attempted to assassinate Iraqi Prime Minister Abd al-Karim Qasim. (United Press International)

    A Tyrant Forty Years in the Making (March 14, 2003)
    Roger Morris writes of the "regime change" carried out by the CIA in Iraq forty years ago. Among the CIA's actions were attempted political assassinations and the handing over of a list of suspected communists and leftists that led to the deaths of thousands of Iraqis at the hands of Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath Party. (New York Times)

    The Riegle Report (1994)
    This report by the Senate Banking Committee analyzes the US's exports of warfare-related goods to Iraq and their possible impact on the health consequences of the Gulf War. The report concludes that the US provided Iraq "with 'dual-use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programs." (Gulflink)

    In February, Kassem is assassinated by members of the Ba'ath Party and the CIA helps the Ba'athists by providing lists of suspected communists for the party's hit squads, who kill an estimated 800 people. Saddam returns home and rejoins the party as an interrogator, torturer and killer. Nine months later, the army overthrows the Ba'ath Party and Saddam is jailed. He is said to have studied the political tactics of Hitler and Stalin while in prison.
    Once again, nothing from the years 1975-1979 when Saddam actually ascended to power in Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    And lets remember that [Saddam was facilitated to power by the US] as [a response to Iran].
    This statement remains factually wrong on two [planes].

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Once again, nothing from the years 1975-1979 when Saddam actually ascended to power in Iraq.


    This statement remains factually wrong on two [planes].
    I don't know why you continue to deny US involvement in bringing SH to power. And subsequently supporting him throughout the eighties. You think there was a four year period where the US wasn't involved in the internal affairs of Iraq, lol.

    Another very good example of a CIA-organized regime change was a coup in 1963 that employed political assassination, mass imprisonment, torture and murder. This was the military coup that first brought Saddam Hussein's beloved Ba'ath Party to power in Iraq. At the time, Richard Helms was Director for Plans at the CIA. That is the top CIA position responsible for covert actions, like organizing coups. Helms served in that capacity until 1966, when he was made Director.

    Regime Change: How the CIA put Saddam's Party in Power
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Saddam Key in Early CIA Plot (April 10, 2003)
    According to former US intelligence officials and diplomats, the CIA's relationship with Saddam Hussein dates back to 1959, when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad that attempted to assassinate Iraqi Prime Minister Abd al-Karim Qasim. (United Press International)

    A Tyrant Forty Years in the Making (March 14, 2003)
    Roger Morris writes of the "regime change" carried out by the CIA in Iraq forty years ago. Among the CIA's actions were attempted political assassinations and the handing over of a list of suspected communists and leftists that led to the deaths of thousands of Iraqis at the hands of Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath Party. (New York Times)

    The Riegle Report (1994)
    This report by the Senate Banking Committee analyzes the US's exports of warfare-related goods to Iraq and their possible impact on the health consequences of the Gulf War. The report concludes that the US provided Iraq "with 'dual-use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programs." (Gulflink)

    In February, Kassem is assassinated by members of the Ba'ath Party and the CIA helps the Ba'athists by providing lists of suspected communists for the party's hit squads, who kill an estimated 800 people. Saddam returns home and rejoins the party as an interrogator, torturer and killer. Nine months later, the army overthrows the Ba'ath Party and Saddam is jailed. He is said to have studied the political tactics of Hitler and Stalin while in prison.
    So you feel it's the fault of the Eisenhower, Kennedy and Clinton Administrations? It seems George Bush corrected these earlier errors in judgement.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't know why you continue to deny US involvement in bringing SH to power. And subsequently supporting him throughout the eighties. You think there was a four year period where the US wasn't involved in the internal affairs of Iraq, lol.

    Another very good example of a CIA-organized regime change was a coup in 1963 that employed political assassination, mass imprisonment, torture and murder. This was the military coup that first brought Saddam Hussein's beloved Ba'ath Party to power in Iraq. At the time, Richard Helms was Director for Plans at the CIA. That is the top CIA position responsible for covert actions, like organizing coups. Helms served in that capacity until 1966, when he was made Director.

    Regime Change: How the CIA put Saddam's Party in Power
    Saddam didn't come to power in the 60's and was already in power during the 80's.

    You're missing the 70's ... when in fact he did come to power.

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