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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
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    The issue/topic here is Iran's right to have a nuclear program which is undeniable and has nothing to do with its treatment of Gays. Iran's support for Hezbollah is a frequent excuse yet is considered a "Terrorist" group by only 3 countries because of its Humanitarian & political work.

    I agree that the persecution of Gays is reprehensible however the "Conservative" / Right Wing's* concern for Gays only seems to blossom when it comes to Iran.

    If brutality of innocent civilians were the measure of a country's right to nukes, Israel & N. Korea should have had their nuclear arsenals confiscated decades ago.

    In 2014, Israel executed/killed more innocent civilians than in any year since 1967 and thousands more than Iran & yet is America's greatest Aid recipient +.

    N. Korea is a far greater nuclear threat to S. Korea, Japan etc but isn't getting nearly the pressure, deadlines, or spotlight as Iran

    Why?

    The egregious double-standard applied to Iran is not lost on the rest of the world which will increase tensions in the Region & place America at odds with Russia, China & most of the world militarily, financially & diplomatically.

    There is really no legitimate reason for US interests to deny Iran its right. Attempting to defend the indefensible is terrible for US security, future diplomatic efforts & overall interests.

    I care too much for this country & those defending it to jeopardize both for another fatally flawed injustice.


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    I agree the issue is Iran getting nukes-YOU brought up how wonderful Iran is because you travel n stuff.

    Iran is a signatory to various nuclear treaties, why should they violate them now?

    And if you see no difference between Israel defending itself and Iran killing others through its interventionism you might have a distorted view.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I agree the issue is Iran getting nukes-YOU brought up how wonderful Iran is because you travel n stuff.

    Iran is a signatory to various nuclear treaties, why should they violate them now?

    And if you see no difference between Israel defending itself and Iran killing others through its interventionism you might have a distorted view.
    It's also just such a childish metric. "Country A does X, why cant Country B do Y!" Even if we assume the allegation is true the obvious answer is that the necessities of foreign policy demand it, and the purpose of our foreign policy is to make a more secure and liberal world. So regardless of what Country A does we reject the 'right' of Country B to do Y. It isn't complicated.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I agree the issue is Iran getting nukes-YOU brought up how wonderful Iran is because you travel n stuff.

    Iran is a signatory to various nuclear treaties, why should they violate them now?

    And if you see no difference between Israel defending itself and Iran killing others through its interventionism you might have a distorted view.
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    My question, all along, has simply been:

    "Why should Iran be denied the nuclear program to which it is entitled?"

    I have simply dispelled some of the many popular misconceptions about Iran, Hezbollah etc you seem to hold.

    You brought up your concern for persecution of Gays via Human Rights violations as a reason to deny a country a nuclear program.

    I simply countered that nuclear States like Israel & N. Korea have Human Rights violations that far exceed Iran's.

    For example: Israelis initiated & participated in this recent investigation that is hardly "defending itself"

    “INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION DETAILS ISRAEL’S DELIBERATE TARGETING OF CIVILIANS IN GAZA”
    (further discussion of Israel/Palestine belongs elsewhere)

    Again, please respond to:

    "Why should Iran be denied the nuclear program to which it is entitled?"

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    I mean who really gives a hoot of what he says.
    It means squat.
    He is a Politician.
    A thug, yes, but still a Politician.

    And as to how the Muslim worlds chants Death to America, well they did that for a number of other countries.
    And again, who really give a ****.
    Recall the cartoons?
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    Cartoon controversy spreads throughout Muslim world | World news | The Guardian
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    You need to revisit the chain of association... you only insisted you were a Trump-supporter after you figured out that made you a pederast as well. If I were you. I'd be more discreet about it... but I guess it's your dime.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
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    My question, all along, has simply been:

    "Why should Iran be denied the nuclear program to which it is entitled?"

    I have simply dispelled some of the many popular misconceptions about Iran, Hezbollah etc you seem to hold.

    You brought up your concern for persecution of Gays via Human Rights violations as a reason to deny a country a nuclear program.

    I simply countered that nuclear States like Israel & N. Korea have Human Rights violations that far exceed Iran's.

    For example: Israelis initiated & participated in this recent investigation that is hardly "defending itself"

    “INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION DETAILS ISRAEL’S DELIBERATE TARGETING OF CIVILIANS IN GAZA”
    (further discussion of Israel/Palestine belongs elsewhere)

    Again, please respond to:

    "Why should Iran be denied the nuclear program to which it is entitled?"
    Its not entitled to anything, anymore than we are entitled to strike Iran to prevent its development of nukes.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    How is Iran "entitled" to have a nuke? Is there some sort of international Second Amendment right to keep and bear nuclear arms or something?

    The government of Iran is nuts, even more nuts than our own. They don't need nukes, nor are they "entitled" to them.
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    I mean who really gives a hoot of what he says.
    It means squat.
    He is a Politician.
    A thug, yes, but still a Politician.

    And as to how the Muslim worlds chants Death to America, well they did that for a number of other countries.
    And again, who really give a ****.
    Recall the cartoons?
    International reactions to the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Cartoon controversy spreads throughout Muslim world | World news | The Guardian
    We can all remember how crazed Muslims reacted around the world by rioting, murdering and destroying millions of dollars worth of property. Now these same people will have access to nuclear weapons.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
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    My question, all along, has simply been:"Why should Iran be denied the nuclear program to which it is entitled?"
    Iran has the right to develop a nuclear weapon and the democracies have a right to nuke them if they do. Everyone wins.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Iran has the right to develop a nuclear weapon and the democracies have a right to nuke them if they do. Everyone wins.
    Hopefully B'smith wont deprive democracies of their rights n stuff!

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
    My question, all along, has simply been:

    "Why should Iran be denied the nuclear program to which it is entitled?"
    Iran is entitled under the XI Articles of the NPT (which it signed in 1968) to engage in nuclear research and develop nuclear power as an energy source. Iran cannot engage in any activity related to enriching fissile material above a specified threshold or any activity related to developing a nuclear warhead. As with all NPT signatory nations, Iran must permit UN/IAEA document/data/materials oversight and facility inspections.

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