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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Mo.

    The fact that Iran received $4.2 billion, then was given an additional $2.8 billion in additional funds from the Obama administration in 2013, to keep Iran committed to the talks through November is astonishing. Keep them committed? Who wanted this lousy deal in the first place? Then to read that negotiators parted ways without reaching an agreement means that $7 billion dollars of taxpayer money was spent for nothing. How much more are non-productive talks going to cost us? Why wasn't the money held in reserve, dependent upon reaching an agreement?

    We have, in effect, given them billions of dollars to fund the very terrorist groups that we are purportedly fighting, since we see crowds shouting "Death to America" as their response. The Iranian leaders are sneering at the negotiators publicly, and they are paying for the privilege of being made to look like naïve idiots? WTH is going on in this administration? Unless I am misunderstanding what is happening, I'm afraid I agree with those that advocate tightening the sanctions on that arrogant country, not eliminating them! You are correct - Iran doesn't need this deal since they are getting all the money they want already!
    Greetings, Miss P.

    It wouldn't be prudent for Iran to agree to anything, as long as Obama continues to send them billions of dollars to keep them at the bargaining table.

    But you come under immediate attack from his minions when making statements like "Obama hates America," or "Obama is a Muslim sympathizer."
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Perhaps he will do that without Obama's ok or agreement, but I'm sure he'd feel better about it if the US had his back. I would like to think Israel would bomb Iran but I'm not so sure any longer as Russia seems to have Iran's back on this and the anti-Israel sentiment in Europe and now in the US by it's government would only condemn such actions. I would not be surprised if under this WH the US abandoned Israel. That may change with a new President but it is not a foregone conclusion that the US would stand by Israel like it was say 7 years ago.
    Greetings, Ockham.

    At the point of being a bore, I will once again state that every US President, both Democrat and Republican, since Israel became a State some 67 years is on record making speeches calling Israel an ally and a great friend - until now. It's not logical to think that all of them were wrong and Obama right. So once again, I have to ask: What is Obama's problem with Israel?

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    This is not a unilateral action by Obama. Why do you guys keep MISrepresenting the six nation talks, hmm?
    You mean the UN six nation Security Council talks?

    Both Russia and China WANT a nuclear armed Iran. Both as a market to sell nuke tech to AND another nuclear adversary to the US/West.

    Three Euro anti-semetic muslim appeaser countries,........make that four with Obama.
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    You mean the UN six nation Security Council talks?

    Both Russia and China WANT a nuclear armed Iran. Both as a market to sell nuke tech to AND another nuclear adversary to the US/West.

    Three Euro anti-semetic muslim appeaser countries,........make that four with Obama.
    Prove your claim that Russia and China want a nuclear weapon powered Iran.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Prove your claim that Russia and China want a nuclear weapon powered Iran.
    Who the f* is currently selling Iran all the nuke tech????
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Prove your claim that Russia and China want a nuclear weapon powered Iran.

    PS at least you didn't deny the three Euro counties and Obama are anti-Semitic. You are making progress
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    Who the f* is currently selling Iran all the nuke tech????
    For Iran's nuclear power program, yes. You're obviously unaware that both Israeli and US intelligence have stated that Iran has no nuclear weapons, isn't building any, and hasn't decided to build any. But keep trying to scare people with your hypotheticals to push for another unnecessary war.
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    For Iran's nuclear power program, yes. You're obviously unaware that both Israeli and US intelligence have stated that Iran has no nuclear weapons, isn't building any, and hasn't decided to build any. But keep trying to scare people with your hypotheticals to push for another unnecessary war.
    If that's the case, then why are negotiations ongoing between Iran and the US over their nuclear program, just so Obama can continue to send them billions of dollars?
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    QUOTE=Ockham;1064449041]To remove Iran's nuclear capability, by whatever means necessary is the appropriate action.
    By whatever means necessary. Your interpretation of the post is welcomed.
    Edit- Thank you for the link.
    The studies and discussions I have seen all assume air attacks, and nothing more. I have not heard anyone even suggest that a land invasion of Iran would be necessary to destroy Iran's nuclear weapons facilities. Only a fraction of the air power of the U.S. would be needed to do a thorough job of that, and of removing all its ballistic missile facilities too. If Israel is forced to try to destroy the main nuclear weapons facilities itself, though, it would raise a very serious problem the study I cited touches on in an objective, detached way.

    Israel's most capable aircraft is the F-15 I, and the largest bomb it can carry weighs 5,000 lb. That is large enough to destroy most things, and if enough were used, one per aircraft, they could probably wreck both of the vast underground centrifuge galleries at Natanz. But the galleries at Fordow are so deeply buried that these bombs probably could not destroy the centrifuges there. (Unlike Israel, the U.S. has heavy bombers like the B-2, which can carry and accurately deliver a 30,000 lb. bomb that would do the job on Fordow.)

    I am sure that Israel sees a nuclear-armed Iran as such a clear threat to its existence as a nation--which it is--that it will do anything it can to prevent it. If it is a matter of your survival, what the rest of the world may think of your actions means nothing. However unthinkable it may seem to use nuclear-armed ballistic missiles, I believe Israel would use them against Fordoz if it were certain it could not destroy the centrifuges there through sabotage, or in some other way. And any nuclear explosion at or beneath ground level, as would be required in this case, throws up vast amounts of radioactive soil, which drifts downwind and falls back to earth--fallout.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    If that's the case, then why are negotiations ongoing between Iran and the US over their nuclear program, just so Obama can continue to send them billions of dollars?
    Do you understand the difference between a nuclear power program, and a nuclear weapons program? Why is this difficult. The P5+1 team is working to ensure that Iran's nuclear program remains peaceful.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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