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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And we will get neither.
    And you're privy to something that Russia, China, Germany, the UK and France haven't seen, lol.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And you're privy to something that Russia, China, Germany, the UK and France haven't seen, lol.
    The deal wont work, Obama is actually making softer demands than socialist France, he's said its likely not to work, and Irans supreme leader is saying death to America.

    I know liberals aren't big on subtlety, so let me spell it out for you-this is not a recipe for success.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The (real) Iranian leaders are not the diplomats, but rather nuts like THIS guy.
    He has to appease the hardliners. You may not understand their culture or the culture of saving face. We have been their target of ire since 1979.

    How many US politicians have call us to war against another country. Khamenei has to blame the US for Iran's problems but Iran has no other options. They have to negotiate.

    It's called hyperbole and it is practiced everyday on this forum.


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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    He has to appease the hardliners. You may not understand their culture or the culture of saving face. We have been their target of ire since 1979.

    How many US politicians have call us to war against another country. Khamenei has to blame the US for Iran's problems but Iran has no other options. They have to negotiate.

    It's called hyperbole and it is practiced everyday on this forum.
    HE IS A HARDLINER. He's only got to appease himself, and this is how.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    HE IS A HARDLINER. He's only got to appease himself, and this is how.
    You do know there other hardliners...other than Khamenei right. He is not the only hardliner in Iran. You do know that right?


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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I agree with you that Obama doesn't agree with Netanyahu. But do you think that Netanyahu's opposed to doing what he thinks is best, without much concern for what Obama thinks? IOW, it's quite likely that Israel will bomb Iran, so either way, there's no worries for those that are scared that Iran might someday develop a nuclear weapon, and might someday use it on their nemesis.
    Perhaps he will do that without Obama's ok or agreement, but I'm sure he'd feel better about it if the US had his back. I would like to think Israel would bomb Iran but I'm not so sure any longer as Russia seems to have Iran's back on this and the anti-Israel sentiment in Europe and now in the US by it's government would only condemn such actions. I would not be surprised if under this WH the US abandoned Israel. That may change with a new President but it is not a foregone conclusion that the US would stand by Israel like it was say 7 years ago.
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh, the old Bush lied people died crap?

    I can write you off as a serious poster then. Thank you for letting me know, good day to you sir.
    Nope, the young Bush was the big liar and yes, loads of people died. Ten of thousands according to some sources but at least way too many US soldiers died. Friends and family of mine also risked their lives for a war that should have never happened (the one in Iraq), at least not that that time and for those reasons (made up reasons/lies).

    And what is serious? I am very serious but I also do not agree with the claim that we will get paper promises. And maybe peace should have been possible if not for the historical problems between the US and Iran. You know, supporting Saddam in his bloody war of massacres and weapons of mass destruction use against Iran. Supporting the Shah even though there were huge problems in that country. And there have been many issues since like shooting down an Iranian plane (even though I believe it was an honest mistake/tragedy) but it was still another problematic issue in the relationship and let's be honest, both republican and democratic presidents/leadership has never been too aggressive in their desire to make a real peace with Iran (even though there might have been opportunities for that peace) and as you see, I blame both sides of the political sides of that failure.

    And the agreement now might be the first step to a real peace accord between the two countries.

    And most agreements start off as paper promises with a bit of trust thrown in the mix.
    the First Amendment gives everyone “the right to be very critical of a Petty, handicapped mocking, unbalanced, whiny so-called President and criticize him strongly.”

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    You do know there other hardliners...other than Khamenei right. He is not the only hardliner in Iran. You do know that right?
    Yes, there are, and this hardliner has always said death to America-and his timing now, indicates this is the view those other hardliners hold as well.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Mo.

    The fact that Iran received $4.2 billion, then was given an additional $2.8 billion in additional funds from the Obama administration in 2013, to keep Iran committed to the talks through November is astonishing. Keep them committed? Who wanted this lousy deal in the first place? Then to read that negotiators parted ways without reaching an agreement means that $7 billion dollars of taxpayer money was spent for nothing. How much more are non-productive talks going to cost us? Why wasn't the money held in reserve, dependent upon reaching an agreement?

    We have, in effect, given them billions of dollars to fund the very terrorist groups that we are purportedly fighting, since we see crowds shouting "Death to America" as their response. The Iranian leaders are sneering at the negotiators publicly, and they are paying for the privilege of being made to look like naïve idiots? WTH is going on in this administration? Unless I am misunderstanding what is happening, I'm afraid I agree with those that advocate tightening the sanctions on that arrogant country, not eliminating them! You are correct - Iran doesn't need this deal since they are getting all the money they want already!
    Howdy Polgara. Allow me to ease your frustration some. First, you can find a crowd of people, even in ally countries to the United States that will chant horrible things about America. But the overwhelming majority of Iranians have a good regard for Americans.

    The agreement deadline hasn't been reached, and could likely be extended if necessary. The sanctions are impositions on the Iranian public, primarily, and they aren't invited into the negotiations. The six countries negotiating with Iran largely agree that sanctions are impediments. Only Bibi, who isn't involved in the negotiations believes sanctions should be increased. Iran really isn't a threat to you or us, just like Libya wasn't before that, or Iraq before that.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    You do know there other hardliners...other than Khamenei right. He is not the only hardliner in Iran. You do know that right?
    Can you prove he's the only hard liner? I'd really like to see that...
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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